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Jan 29, 2013
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Ben Brotelho wrote:
the balance between risking the life of the people removing the bodies versus the families' 'rights' to their family members' remains is an ethical issue if you ask me.



Ha, but those families do have the right to pony up the resources, fly to Asia, and reclaim their loved ones bodies if they so choose.

The ethical issue might be, why don't more families take care of their loved one's meat sacks?
J Q
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If you decide to climb Everest you're implicitly agreeing to the fact that you may never come back, dead or alive. The families have the right to retrieve the body, but that doesn't mean that somebody else should be doing it or have to foot the bill.

I understand people's desire for closure, but a living rescuer is worth infinitely more than a dead climber. If I ever die doing something dangerous, I hope nobody puts themselves in danger in an attempt to haul my corpse out of there.

Personally, I'd also much rather be buried under the ice of the mountain that took my life than to be buried in a local cemetery with a lame headstone beside random people I don't know. The mountain burial is cheaper, too...
Ian Stewart
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I think the better question would be...is it ethical to toss the bodies over the edge into Tibet? Seriously, who would want to be be left on a busy climbing route where at best you are used as an anchor. rging
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J Q wrote:
Ha, but those families do have the right to pony up the resources, fly to Asia, and reclaim their loved ones bodies if they so choose. The ethical issue might be, why don't more families take care of their loved one's meat sacks?


I would argue someone should be held responsible.

It's sad, but more and more I think to myself "Everest really ought to have a damage deposit" precisely for the hauling out of meat sacks and whatever else you leave (intentionally or unintentionally).
frankstoneline
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Ian Stewart wrote:
If you decide to climb Everest you're implicitly agreeing to the fact that you may never come back, dead or alive. The families have the right to retrieve the body, but that doesn't mean that somebody else should be doing it or have to foot the bill. I understand people's desire for closure, but a living rescuer is worth infinitely more than a dead climber. If I ever die doing something dangerous, I hope nobody puts themselves in danger in an attempt to haul my corpse out of there. Personally, I'd also much rather be buried under the ice of the mountain that took my life than to be buried in a local cemetery with a lame headstone beside random people I don't know. The mountain burial is cheaper, too...



really that mountain burial has cost some people upwards of 70,000$
superkick
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plus id be way more cocnerned about the trash the living deposit everywhere, than the bodies the dead leave. superkick
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on the trip
frankstoneline wrote:
I would argue someone should be held responsible. ).



Like the parties that put a ladder on the last pitch of the climb and encouraged the people to die trying? Wow, the noob has a really valid point. The guides should pay for their attempt to make more money off of our sacred activity, how dare they!

After we persecute the stupid ass guides, hows about we fix the problems for those little brown people who don't understand what good ethics are.

Man, oh how I hate that White Man's Burden.


BTW, how many people have actually been to Everest Base Camp here besides me?

Does anyone who actually summited have an opinion?
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Tonto wrote:
Like the parties that put a ladder on the last pitch of the climb and encouraged the people to die trying? Wow, the noob has a really valid point. The guides should pay for their attempt to make more money off of our sacred activity, how dare they! After we persecute the stupid ass guides, hows about we fix the problems for those little brown people who don't understand what good ethics are. Man, oh how I hate that White Man's Burden. BTW, how many people have actually been to Everest Base Camp here besides me? Does anyone who actually summited have an opinion?



...and down the road of "noob" slandering and "if you haven't done it you don't have the right to comment on it" we go.
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Cool snow formation at the base.
rging wrote:
Seriously, who would want to be be left on a busy climbing route where at best you are used as an anchor.


Brings a new meaning to deadman.
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Jan 30, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
The most basic issue here is that people don't want to turn into meat sacks because they went to retrieve some meat sacks. I don't think you have to be a mountaineer to understand that. No offense meant. I'm just using earlier parlance. Jake Jones
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Jake Jones wrote:
The most basic issue here is that people don't want to turn into meatsacks because they went to retrieve some meat sacks. I don't think you have to me a mountaineer to understand that. No offense meant. I'm just using earlier parlance.



Exactly, and if you have ever been at an extreme altitude, this point becomes quite clear.

Plus, every climber on Everest knows that their body will most likely not be retrieved if they die in the death zone.

They are frozen meat sacks, not hurting anyone or anything, and if they can't stand the idea of spending eternity on Everest, than they should forget about attempting to climb it.
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Frequently when I read threads on here it strikes me how many people never let a little thing like having only a little bit of knowledge stop them from braying their opinions. Jonathan Steitzer
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