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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Sep 28, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Dale Evans wrote:
Sure it is.


If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.


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By Dana Bartlett
From CT
Sep 28, 2012

even if I still carry the emotional scars inflicted by gang-topropers at the Gunks.

Well, it's now safe to come back. No one ever does at the 'Gunks these days.

No, really.


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Sep 28, 2012
At the BRC

Brad White wrote:
Mark Dixon, you made one of the comments that surprises me. I don't gang tope-rope anything. Typically, when I am out with the Soloist I get to Eldo extremely early, set my rope up on something accessible, and try not to hog the route too much. I usually finish early, and have been doing this off and on for almost 25 years in Eldo. I've never been told that I was out of line for this practice. When you insinuate that somehow I deserved to have any anchor that I was actively using removed and stolen is pretty shocking. Oh well, I guess our community is changing.


Hey Brad, I was actually trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to poke fun at myself. I used to hate it when a bunch of top ropers monopolized some route I wanted to climb at the Gunks. Got livid and foamed at the mouth quite a lot. Sounds like you are more considerate than I found them to be. Hopefully I've matured a bit too, even if it isn't apparent.
If someone was occupying a route in Eldo, I'd just choose something else, no big deal.

Anyway, I thought I made it clear in a later post that you should get your gear back. I still believe in 'booty', but would just as soon give back anything I clean as keep it. Messing with other people's gear is not cool. Stripping an anchor is unconscionable.
As for things changing, probably true. There are a lot of people in the front range with a little knowledge of climbing (enough to filch gear anyway) but who aren't passionate about it and don't care about other climbers. Lots of really dedicated, civic minded folks too. Sorry your path had to cross with some jerks.
Mark


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By Russell Holcomb
From Boulder, Colorado
Sep 30, 2012

Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.

EJ is a living legend in Eldo. I defy you to find anyone that's logged more miles and done more routes there. Also a great guy and someone you definitely want to be in the vicinity if you ever need a rescue. EJ is the kind of guy that if he comes across an old lady pinned by a car he just picks the damn car up and moves it. He could damn sure carry your fat broken legged ass out of Eldo if needed. If you don't know that you're not dialed in enough to this environment to be able to make judgements. As far as I'm concerned EJ can leave ropes hanging like tinsel on a Christmas tree all over Eldo if he wants.


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By Dale Evans
Sep 30, 2012

Colonel Mustard wrote:
If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.


No difference.
Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber.

No use for a miniaturized dispenser.


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By CJC
Sep 30, 2012

this thread just got stupid


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By prod.
From Boulder, Co
Sep 30, 2012

Although I do not agree with leaving fixed lines in Eldo, I do think EDj should get his gear back. I also think Dale Evans is either a young lad or just not very intelligent if he truely thinks there is no difference between the 2 acts.

Prod.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Sep 30, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Dale Evans wrote:
No difference. Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber. No use for a miniaturized dispenser.


Thanks for elucidating your thinking, but nope. Wrong ballpark. Please keep trying to come up with a valid argument though.


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By Dale Evans
Oct 3, 2012

Both acts involve taking something that is not yours.
Why is the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 3, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Dale Evans wrote:
Both acts involve taking something that is not yours. Why the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?


If you leave your backpack out indefinitely like trash too, then there's no difference there either. Leaving your crap lying around in a wilderness area for extended lengths of time makes the area and climbers look like shit.

Do I believe there are caveats for development? Sure. But erring on the side of minimum eyesore is probably wisest, as is stashing your development gear where it can't be seen/stolen by the riff-raff.

If you want to leave your stuff lying around to test the honor system amongst the lowest common denominator out there, it's your rope/backpack, not mine. And then you can pathetically argue ethics online while somebody else plays with your gear.


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By CJC
Oct 3, 2012

col mustard

with the burn

in the fixed rope thread


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By Dale Evans
Oct 3, 2012

So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 3, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Dale Evans wrote:
So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other.


You know Dale, I can't really help you any further. Why don't you do the heavy lifting and figure out why leaving your stuff out and expecting it back like an entitled idiot is the ethically superior stance, I don't really care enough.


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By Paul-B
Oct 10, 2012
Flakes of Wrath

Dale, since your having a hard time with this concept I suggest you refer to page 2 of this forum where another poster cites the park rule as not abandoning gear for more than 24 hours. In addition to basic common sense you now have a delineated time point that one must cross before you should consider taking their gear.

Great thread. Entertained me for a solid 20 minutes


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By Ben Walburn
Oct 11, 2012
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

Russell Holcomb wrote:
Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.


Ha!

+1


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