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Sep 27, 2012
Mashers Tower
you started drinking early today huh Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
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Sep 27, 2012
Howdy. That's my brother you are all talking about. He loves Eldo, is a great steward of the place, has revisited his position and changed it in the course of the past day, and is genuinely upset at the fluster this has caused. Perhaps it is time to climb rather than posture, enjoy rather than accuse, and celebrate the fact that climbing--for some--remains an activity of inspiration and adventure.

All best,

Greg J
Greg Johnson
Joined Jan 29, 2011
98 points
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Sep 28, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
All Killer No Filler wrote:
When I'm not perfecting Magnum


By this, do you mean the awesome-'stached, fictitious P.I. from the '80s, or the condom "allegedly" made for ahem, larger men?

Oh yeah, and give the guy his rope back. He seems to have gained some humility. And even if it's just for the purposes of getting his rope back, it's still his.
Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Joined Jul 30, 2011
1,147 points
Sep 28, 2012
Stabby
Jake Jones wrote:
And even if it's just for the purposes of getting his rope back, it's still his.

Technically, no its not the moment he left for the day. I highly doubt the rope takers did so due to the kids attitude, they did so to get $200+ of free rope. Thats the equivalent of working 8 hours at 25 an hour.
Mike Lane
From Centennial, CO
Joined Jan 21, 2006
839 points
Sep 28, 2012
At the BRC
Do we actually know if the rope was stolen by somebody who just saw an expensive unattended piece of gear or whether it was taken down as a political statement?

In either case, I think it should be given back, but it's a lot more likely if taking it was a statement.

I think Brad deserves his gear back too, even if I still carry the emotional scars inflicted by gang-topropers at the Gunks.
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
200 points
Sep 28, 2012
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
Brad White wrote:
So, I wasn't going to say anything about this, but two weekends ago I was out in Eldo with my Soloist, and some douchebag stole one of my three anchors while I was climbing. I had a top rope set up on Blind Faith, and had two cams, and a nut all equalized as an anchor. I did not leave my gear unattended. I ran some laps without going to the very top where my anchors were placed. When I climbed to the very top to clean my gear: a nut, a double length Specter cord, and two locking biners were gone. I was so blown away by it that I wasn't even sure what to think. Because this was not a case of "abandoned" gear, and because I was actively climbing on my system the whole time it was up, except for a breather or two, I was shocked that anyone would mess with it while I was climbing. Fortunately the two cams that were not stolen were bomber, so it didn't particularly endanger me. But what a rotten thing to do. I still don't know what to think, but the more I do the more pissed it makes me. Even though the situation is totally different than the rope that is the subject of this thread, I think anyone trying to justify stealing as a way to enforce "local" ethics has their head up their a$$.


Wow. Totally blown away to hear that. We were there climbing just up the hill from you. It was a pretty quiet day over there. Only one party topped out while you were climbing. They were on bastille crack. It was their first time on top of bastille cause they asked us if they were going the right way.

If I can help in some way let me know. I would have considered pushing them off the ledge if I knew what they did. Yes I am internet tough guy.
Greg D
From Here
Joined Apr 5, 2006
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Sep 28, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.
All Killer No Filler wrote:
When I'm not perfecting Magnum, I'm a philosphizer by trade. Just cause I have a negative view of humanity is no reason to be bummed out yourself. Climbers are good people. Not gossipy, effeminite bitches who re-post from site to site, not the kind of assholes that steal ropes off of people's projects, not the kind of schmucks that troll the living hell out of anything and everything they can from their unsuited for the illiterate iPhones. My buddy, who's well known around here as a poser, negative nancy, and general dick (even I think this, and I like the guy; ish) says "Climbers aren't good people. They're usually overpriveleged, under-responsible shitheads just trying to take everyone around them for anything they can squeeze out of them. Now, firefighters? You got at least a decent chance that some guy willing to run into a burning building for a total stranger's benefit might MAYBE be a decent person. But even then you're talking about just better than 50% odds. Most climbers, maybe 90%, are people I wouldn't drink a beer with if they were buying." Words of wisdom. Course, my paramedic buddy thinks most firemen are shitheads, too, so maybe we should get back to your regularly scheduled rope-theft argument, and I can talk to myself, with my mellifluous vocal tones, and whatnot. And you can google Eva pictures or whatever it is that you do when you're not calling me cupcake. Which is hot.


Cool story!
NickinCO
From colorado
Joined Sep 17, 2010
239 points
Sep 28, 2012
When I see some of these posts justifying theft as a means to disagree with someone, it makes me a little sad. Sure, theft has always occurred in our community, but to think some of us believe it is justifiable in any case is surprising to me. Maybe I'm naive.

Greg, I saw that party, because they rappeled off the Bastille right next to me while I was on Blind Faith. I thought it odd. I don't know if they stole my gear or not, but they were my best guess also.

Mark Dixon, you made one of the comments that surprises me. I don't gang tope-rope anything. Typically, when I am out with the Soloist I get to Eldo extremely early, set my rope up on something accessible, and try not to hog the route too much. I usually finish early, and have been doing this off and on for almost 25 years in Eldo. I've never been told that I was out of line for this practice. When you insinuate that somehow I deserved to have any anchor that I was actively using removed and stolen is pretty shocking. Oh well, I guess our community is changing.
Brad White
Joined Sep 14, 2006
28 points
Sep 28, 2012
Skiing around.
All Killer No Filler wrote:
. Does anyone ever learn from getting their gear jacked? I'm thinking it's pretty unlikely.

Who are you? this isn't something the Killis I know would say......
Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 13, 2006
2,223 points
Sep 28, 2012
Skiing around.
All Killer No Filler wrote:
before you wore out your welcome

if I had it to do all over again I wouldn't change a thing
All Killer No Filler wrote:
Feel free to not get me started on you, I think the uneasy truce is as good as it's getting between you and me.

Right back at ya.
Darren in Vegas
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 13, 2006
2,223 points
Sep 28, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Brad White wrote:
Mark Dixon, you made one of the comments that surprises me.

Mark, meet Brad. Brad, meet Mark. You are both good guys who I think are misunderstanding each other and you'll work it out.
Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Joined Jan 1, 2001
23,587 points
Sep 28, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.
All Killer No Filler wrote:
Suggesting that stashers are learning disabled sounds exactly like the killis you used to know, before you wore out your welcome. Feel free to not get me started on you, I think the uneasy truce is as good as it's getting between you and me. Brad, things have and will continue to change, that's a fact. Adjusting to change is one of the major secondary challenges in life, after food, shelter, and not getting run over by a bus (or thrown under it by former "friends"). I'm glad you got my joke, Nick. Ballbusting intentional, but no harm meant. And drinking doesn't get the words flowing, it tends to mellow me out to the point of sleep, hence all of the forthcoming donations to my beer fund. Jake Jonesin', the voice of reason AGAIN. Damn you and your thinking and math skills! Hope NC was sick, send me some details, I've been coughing up 50 shades of phlegm getting over the flu, be fun to hear about your 50 shades of gray rock. Or just have you read 50 Shades of MILF to me or whatever is on the large print bestseller list these days.


;) As a previous shithead myself I agree with both of your friends although I would lump paramedics into that group also.

I also agree this whole topic is pretty sad. After three long days of work (life is rough) I'm looking forward to a weekend at lumpy, I hope none of my gear gets stolen.
NickinCO
From colorado
Joined Sep 17, 2010
239 points
Sep 28, 2012
Colonel Mustard
NickinCO wrote:
I'm looking forward to a weekend at lumpy, I hope none of my gear gets stolen.


Usually if you don't leave your crap laying around unattended, it goes home with you.
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
1,382 points
Sep 28, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.
Colonel Mustard wrote:
Usually if you don't leave your crap laying around unattended, it goes home with you.


GEE THANKS!
NickinCO
From colorado
Joined Sep 17, 2010
239 points
Sep 28, 2012
Colonel Mustard
NickinCO wrote:
GEE THANKS!


Yeah, seems obvious doesn't it? But then you read this thread....
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
1,382 points
Sep 28, 2012
I can't wait till some of you folks are on a multi pitch and I get to clean up the garbage you abandoned at the base of the climb, while you are up there. Like your lunch,backpack,approach shoes,extra water,etc. Dale Evans
Joined Sep 19, 2012
8 points
Sep 28, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Dale Evans wrote:
I can't wait till some of you folks are on a multi pitch and I get to clean up the garbage you abandoned at the base of the climb, while you are up there. Like your lunch,backpack,approach shoes,extra water,etc.


Not even the same ballpark, but keep swinging.
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
1,382 points
Sep 28, 2012
Sure it is. Dale Evans
Joined Sep 19, 2012
8 points
Sep 28, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Dale Evans wrote:
Sure it is.


If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
1,382 points
Sep 28, 2012
even if I still carry the emotional scars inflicted by gang-topropers at the Gunks.

Well, it's now safe to come back. No one ever does at the 'Gunks these days.

No, really.
Dana Bartlett
From CT
Joined Nov 18, 2003
963 points
Sep 28, 2012
At the BRC
Brad White wrote:
Mark Dixon, you made one of the comments that surprises me. I don't gang tope-rope anything. Typically, when I am out with the Soloist I get to Eldo extremely early, set my rope up on something accessible, and try not to hog the route too much. I usually finish early, and have been doing this off and on for almost 25 years in Eldo. I've never been told that I was out of line for this practice. When you insinuate that somehow I deserved to have any anchor that I was actively using removed and stolen is pretty shocking. Oh well, I guess our community is changing.


Hey Brad, I was actually trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to poke fun at myself. I used to hate it when a bunch of top ropers monopolized some route I wanted to climb at the Gunks. Got livid and foamed at the mouth quite a lot. Sounds like you are more considerate than I found them to be. Hopefully I've matured a bit too, even if it isn't apparent.
If someone was occupying a route in Eldo, I'd just choose something else, no big deal.

Anyway, I thought I made it clear in a later post that you should get your gear back. I still believe in 'booty', but would just as soon give back anything I clean as keep it. Messing with other people's gear is not cool. Stripping an anchor is unconscionable.
As for things changing, probably true. There are a lot of people in the front range with a little knowledge of climbing (enough to filch gear anyway) but who aren't passionate about it and don't care about other climbers. Lots of really dedicated, civic minded folks too. Sorry your path had to cross with some jerks.
Mark
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
200 points
Sep 30, 2012
Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.

EJ is a living legend in Eldo. I defy you to find anyone that's logged more miles and done more routes there. Also a great guy and someone you definitely want to be in the vicinity if you ever need a rescue. EJ is the kind of guy that if he comes across an old lady pinned by a car he just picks the damn car up and moves it. He could damn sure carry your fat broken legged ass out of Eldo if needed. If you don't know that you're not dialed in enough to this environment to be able to make judgements. As far as I'm concerned EJ can leave ropes hanging like tinsel on a Christmas tree all over Eldo if he wants.
Russell Holcomb
From Boulder, Colorado
Joined Nov 12, 2007
17 points
Sep 30, 2012
Colonel Mustard wrote:
If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.


No difference.
Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber.

No use for a miniaturized dispenser.
Dale Evans
Joined Sep 19, 2012
8 points
Sep 30, 2012
Mashers Tower
this thread just got stupid Cornelius Jefferson
Joined Apr 5, 2006
163 points
Sep 30, 2012
Although I do not agree with leaving fixed lines in Eldo, I do think EDj should get his gear back. I also think Dale Evans is either a young lad or just not very intelligent if he truely thinks there is no difference between the 2 acts.

Prod.
prod.
From Boulder, Co
Joined Nov 29, 2008
52 points


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