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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 26, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Eldo is notorious for things getting stolen that are obviously not abandoned, like packs at the base of routes in the middle of the day for instance. Theives of opportunity and dedication peruse Eldo I'm sure on a daily basis. You simply are taking a chance leaving anything overnight there. Period. Ethics be darned all to heck.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Sep 26, 2012
Colonel Mustard

El Duderado wrote:
The larger issue is that this guy's rope was stolen.


That really is the payoff to this whole fiasco, the punchline if you will.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Tony T. wrote:
Why not put this much energy into volunteering with Access Fund or your local crag association to try and mitigate the more serious and detrimental impacts to our "beloved" climbing areas instead of bickering about a single fucking rope?! Wake.the.fuck.up.

Hi Tony T,
What if I give a solid 4 figures to the Access Fund every year, organize trail days and do clean-ups several times a year (and worked at them) and am a board member of an LCO? Then would I be allowed to bicker about a rope?
Have you also done all of the above? If not, why are you speaking here?

Maybe the point is that some people ARE worried about access. I'm not particularly concerned in this particular case, but I speak only for myself. When climbers do something extra-legal and the park has to hear about it or deal with it, it is a strike against the whole community.

Also, if someone "here" has the rope, they should man-up and give EDJ it back in a face-to-face. It would be good for all involved. I think he gets it about thumbing his nose at a crowd and turning his back and would like to have the rope back now.


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By Erik Hopkins
Sep 26, 2012

think i saw the eldo rope bandits early this morning while I was walking into the park for some fly fishing. It was raining and they were leaving eldo early (7:30ish) carrying a rope bag and not much else.


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By Andy Kowles
From Longtuckles
Sep 26, 2012

Agree with Tony B's last point. The person whose rope was fixed has stated that he recognizes the issue and has learned a lesson.

It seems that a little forgiveness is in order. Everyone has made their point, have they not?

The thread worked, get it?

(Now EDJ deserves his rope back, assuming it was confiscated to make a point rather than stolen)


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By JLP
From The Internet
Sep 26, 2012

I don't like thieves, but I do like that there have been consequences here.


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By Todd Ritter
From Lafayette
Sep 26, 2012

EDJ is a great dude. If you don't want to fess up directly, contact me. I'll keep it anonymous and get him his rope and any gear back. The irony is that overall, EDJ is an absolute asset to Eldo Park (and town) and did not mean to offend.
Todd 720-273-7355


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By James Crump
Sep 27, 2012

We all should take up a collection in the name of curing global butthurt.


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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 27, 2012
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W. <br />

Tony T. wrote:
thousands of people want to climb rocks.


Exactly why we must be outstanding stewards.

People forget that these issues would not exist if ropes and draws didn't get left behind. But people focus on the effect not the cause.


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By mountainlion
Sep 27, 2012

I'm all for LNT and our Access being maintained while being equally against gear theft.

EDJ and others take your ropes down everyday while you are establishing new lines no matter the time, energy, and hassle.

Whoever stole his rope give it back.


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By rimeice
Sep 27, 2012

Ya know, everybody has an Everest, some are just smaller. Ethics & BS aside, it's still "litter".


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By T.C.
From Whittier, NC
Sep 27, 2012

Tony T. wrote:
Why not put this much energy into volunteering with Access Fund or your local crag association to try and mitigate the more serious and detrimental impacts to our "beloved" climbing areas instead of bickering about a single fucking rope?! Wake.the.fuck.up.


This much energy? Typing on a keyboard requires very little energy, what you propose requires lots of energy. Giving the dude his rope back will not require much, just enough to push the buttons on your phone and tell him where it is. Give the dude his rope back.

TC


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By Ben Walburn
Sep 27, 2012
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

Wow! what a thread. I wonder how many routes I've climbed where the first ascentionist used fixed gear to establish the route. It sure is nice enjoying all the routes I've climbed where others put in a lot of hard work to establish. Now that I look back at it, it sure was awfully convenient all those years of climbing on other peoples hard work. Eldorado sure is a nice place and I've climbed there for a lot of years. It's not a place I like to see fixed lines hanging around, but new routes sure are a lot of fun. Hmmm I guess I'll keep my mouth shout.

....give the guy his rope back


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Sep 27, 2012

Scott McMahon wrote:
And in comes Randy at the first irrelevant opportunity to smash on Boulder once again. Man you must have really got your butt hurt here to despise this town so much. It's just a place on the map man...it didn't do anything to you. Anyways...besides the ethical debate on this rope, hung draws, stashed bags etc...stealing is LAMESAUCE. Hopefully someone will return it to you.


I love you, Scott, and all of my beloved children of Boulder! Except the hippies! Just kidding... kinda.
Brothers Gotta Hug


Give dude his rope back.


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By JLP
From The Internet
Sep 27, 2012

Ben Walburn wrote:
I wonder how many routes I've climbed where the first ascentionist used fixed gear to establish the route.

That sounds like a very interesting question for a different thread.

In this case, someone apparently was top roping the shit out of an existing route (Leviticus) hoping to someday have the nuts to fall/hang their way up it on gear.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 27, 2012
Bocan

I love you, Scott, and all of my beloved children of Boulder! Except the hippies! Just kidding... kinda. Brothers Gotta Hug

>


haha I just watched Tommyboy the other day. RIP Chris...you are missed!!!


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Sep 27, 2012
How I Send

I remember another stolen rope thread. Bob D. you are missed. So are those boys from Laramie that made him leave. Can we find that thread and resurrect it? I think it was a much better fixed rope thread. Where's all the threats and removal of the rope owner's content from MP? - Ah, those were the days!


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By Greg at Supertopo
From Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 27, 2012
greg

Hi EDJ!

Have you had enough of this impolite and unpleasant treatment after sharing such an irksome and unsettling experience? I bet you have! Do you wish there was a mature rock climbing forum that understood the passion and stoke of climbers like yourself?

Well there is! Feel free to post this in our General Discussions Forum over on Supertopo and you will surely receive a friendly and sympathetic reception as well as in depth conversion over your concerns on how people should behave regarding your swole projects.

Also, I would like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all of the lurkers and non-lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of climbing aficionados who know the benefits of what good moderation brings to an on-line community.

I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process.

I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. So if you are tired of the juvenile behavior at Mountain Project and yearn for a climbing forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"! :)


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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Sep 27, 2012
Epic free solo with a pack on

I think the difference between MP and SuperTopo is like the difference between 4chan and reddit...and we both know which one is cooler and more fun


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By Olaf Mitchell
From Paia, Maui, Hi,
Sep 27, 2012
rockerwaves

Caution,SuperTopo can be a very tough room! Those people don't even like each other very much really.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 27, 2012
Bocan

Greg at Supertopo wrote:
Hi EDJ! Have you had enough of this impolite and unpleasant treatment after sharing such an irksome and unsettling experience? I bet you have! Do you wish there was a mature rock climbing forum that understood the passion and stoke of climbers like yourself? Well there is! Feel free to post this in our General Discussions Forum over on Supertopo and you will surely receive a friendly and sympathetic reception as well as in depth conversion over your concerns on how people should behave regarding your swole projects. Also, I would like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all of the lurkers and non-lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of climbing aficionados who know the benefits of what good moderation brings to an on-line community. I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. So if you are tired of the juvenile behavior at Mountain Project and yearn for a climbing forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"! :)



Are you trying to skater poach?
You trying to break up my family?
Why don't you get out of here before I throw down?
Skater Poachin
Skater Poachin


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 27, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Greg at Supertopo wrote:
Hi EDJ! Have you had enough of this impolite and unpleasant treatment after sharing such an irksome and unsettling experience? I bet you have! Do you wish there was a mature rock climbing forum that understood the passion and stoke of climbers like yourself? Well there is! Feel free to post this in our General Discussions Forum over on Supertopo and you will surely receive a friendly and sympathetic reception as well as in depth conversion over your concerns on how people should behave regarding your swole projects. ... So if you are tired of the juvenile behavior at Mountain Project and yearn for a climbing forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"! :)


It is a delicious irony when a poster from the other site comes over to this one to spray about how bad it is because people spray here.
I suppose it serves to keep the other site clean?
Yawn...


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 27, 2012
Bocan

Tony B wrote:
It is a delicious irony when a poster from the other site comes over to this one to spray about how bad it is because people spray here. I suppose it serves to keep the other site clean? Yawn...


Well at least SupertopoMan isn't selling $5,000 pitons!!

MP's for sale gear may be damaged, but at least our prices are reasonable!


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Sep 27, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Huh. Another form letter hailing from Greg at... wherever. My guess? Some servile cubicle dweller practicing his mainstay of drafting permutations of form letters as a profession. Proud work, sir, I'll section you off 15'.


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By Jim Wilcox
Sep 27, 2012

Greg@Supertopo is just a troll causing trouble. He's been making the same comments about MP on Supertopo threads


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