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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

frankstoneline wrote:
If you really care so much about pristine wilderness and outdoor ethics just stop climbing. A line hung temporarily on a project is much less an eyesore and much more temporary than the trails, chalk stains and tape balls "environmentally conscious" and "ethically driven" climbers produce on the daily. The greenest thing you could possibly do is to go hang yourself from a fucking tree.


Nice try - false paradox. Find me with chalk (I don't use it) or tape (same) in Eldo and then lecture me.
Pointing out a different bad behavior and then accusing a 3rd party of it is a foolish argument to make.
The point remains the same - expect that someone is going to have different values. And the people who don't like the rope probably like the tape and chalk even less than you do, so associating them with that is a straw man at best.
For my own part, the rope for a week is not bothering me, but I'm starting to develop a distaste for the attitude that comes with it, which makes me appreciate it less.

Talk like that to people who don't like the rope and at some point you should expect someone to trump you by just taking it down. You are not coming from a position of power (it is not legal, in fact) and provoking a crowd is never smart when your back is turned. You are not doing edj any favors.

In my opinion the wisest most mature response, would have been:
"Sorry, I didn't realize that some people would have that reaction. I'm hoping you'll realize that it is a valuable project for me and not intended to be a permanent installation." I am putting a lot of effort into that project and should finish soon, and I promise that the moment the project is down, I will remove the rope immediately. Thanks for understanding."

I imagine that would have provoked a lot less ire and certainly would have demonstrated a lot more awareness of others rather the rather self-absorbed/entitled responses that were given. I can tell people not to look at litter. But it's not a good answer. At this point I'd still leave the rope up, but if someone told me that they were going to take it down, I'd just shrug. "If you are going to be stupid you better be tough." That goes for both sides.


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By Cor
Sep 26, 2012
black nasty

can anyone tell me why this is such a big fukin deal?


how much i care.
how much i care.


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By Greg Miller
From boulder, co
Sep 26, 2012

once again, unfortunately, proving how lame mountain project can be. to bad people can't just ask about the rope, instead of getting butthurt and making internet tough guy threats. I would also say that EDJ is someone who knows the "ethics" of eldo very well. No one seemed to care when another well known climber had fixed ropes all over Redgarden a while ago training for the nose in a day...


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Bocan

Why haven't the rangers taken it down? I would think that would have been the first thing that happened.


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By Greg Miller
From boulder, co
Sep 26, 2012

they probably have an idea of why its there, and have better things to do..


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By Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
Sep 26, 2012
Me scaring years off my mom's life

In the Gunks, this argument would be WAY better.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Greg Miller wrote:
they probably have an idea of why its there, and have better things to do..

The latter being the biggest factor... same reason why I'm not doing it. Care-o-meter close to 0. I can leave it and go climb something fun instead. It only bothers me when people tell me I aught to appreciate it.

Austin Baird wrote:
In the Gunks, this argument would be WAY better.

Is there climbing in Jersey? If so, imagine it there.


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By JLP
From The Internet
Sep 26, 2012

It's pretty much a universal rule on all public lands that you don't leave your shit laying around for others with equal rights to enjoy looking at.

www.parks.state.co.us/SiteCollectionImages/parks/Programs/Bo>>>

ABANDONED PROPERTY
F. It shall be unlawful to leave any personal property unattended
on land or water under the control of the Division of Parks and
Outdoor Recreation for more than twenty-four (24) hours.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Sep 26, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Tony B wrote:
In my opinion the wisest most mature response, would have been: "Sorry, I didn't realize that some people would have that reaction. I'm hoping you'll realize that it is a valuable project for me and not intended to be a permanent installation." I am putting a lot of effort into that project and should finish soon, and I promise that the moment the project is down, I will remove the rope immediately. Thanks for understanding."


That response would have required more than acting like an arrogant child, Tony.

Many don't like ropes left hanging around, dangling in the way, or just hanging like tat off your futuristic prodges that will explode our pathetically small minds. I've personally taken the effort to strip such eyesores and I don't leave your trash neatly piled at the base for you to repeat offend. Although, I now may leave a small section in the future so the offender can then hang himself with it ;).


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By Wade J.
From Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
winter aid climbing

Austin Baird wrote:
In the Gunks, this argument would be WAY better.


In the gunks it would be on a 5.6


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Well, it's pretty much irrelevant now:
The rope was taken down, apparently

Who could have predicted that when the person who left it there said "just don't look at it" that this would be the response?


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Sep 26, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

Tony B wrote:
Well, it's pretty much irrelevant now: The rope was taken down, apparently Who could have predicted that when the person who left it there said "just don't look at it" that this would be the response?


Stealing the rope is still a little harsh though? It was obviously someone from this thread, and it was obvious it wasn't abandoned.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

NickinCO wrote:
Stealing the rope is still a little harsh though? It was obviously someone from this thread, and it was obvious it wasn't abandoned.

Yeah, I think taking it was harsh if that is what happened. But I don't think the initial "obvious" is necessarily true, let alone obvious.
But I don't imagine it was taken this AM. I'm presuming it is/was raining in Eldo as it is in Erie.
So if it was taken down yesterday, that was in real time. It rained in the afternoon at some point, but was clear from at least 5-7 or so. I'd suggest that in a tight window, it must have been someone fairly local taking it down. But I digress...

But I do think that this thread shows that there are a number of people who didn't like it there. So it could have been a non-participant in this discussion. I'm not under the illusion that everyone is on MP.com, nor that all of those folks were following this thread. I'm not so sure that it was someone involved or that necessarily knew the story. I'd say at least ask the rangers if they know anything about it. Someone once turned my car keys in at the booth, but they were not listed on MP.com.


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By EDJ
Sep 26, 2012

My initial reply was shortsighted. This whole thing has served to highlight an ethical point...end of story. I mean who really cares if it was raining when some jugged my line.? etc.....


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By Joe Huggins
From 666 Rue le Jour-Edge City
Sep 26, 2012
mmmm....tree

Tony B wrote:
Hi Joe. I've stayed out of this until now. Working a route I could only dream of? You mean a rehearsed headpoint? Yawn... No matter the grade. It's been done if it isn't 5.15. That is your values and perhaps his. And other people may or may not be impressed. If you expect them to value your goals, perhaps you should acknowledge that theirs are different. Different strokes for different folks.


A "rehearsed headpoint" wasn't what he was after; he was going to equip a new route according to the procedure of the review committee.


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Sep 26, 2012

Oh SNAP! Boulder on boulder HATE... AWESOME. Must be nice to worry about such insignificant crap! Who cares if his line was dangling? Thus a panty bunch validates theivery! Only in the boulder bubble. EDJ... sorry you got jacked! I have seen lines hanging in CCC for months and nobody gave two craps.


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By T_jones
From Salty Lake
Sep 26, 2012
Fossil Family 12a, Rifle

The real asshole here is the one who went out of their way to take the rope.


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By JLP
From The Internet
Sep 26, 2012

For you out-of-towners, Genesis is busy trade route in grand central Eldo, in full view of 100% of park visitors. I doubt anyone went too far out of their way to notice and remove the rope.


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By El Duderado
Sep 26, 2012

Wow, let me get this straight.... a few Internet people complained about EDJ's fixed rope, he went running up there to get it the next day and someone had STOLEN it?!?! They could have at least left it at the base or turned it in to the park.

I realize that some folks here are really concerned with the "rules", but it's pretty obvious that he intended to get the rope back. Those "rules" also apply to fixed draws, pitons, bolts, and rap slings. Since when did climbers become so fixated on rules?


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By EDJ
Sep 26, 2012

I was working an established route. There is another route I am involved in under review elsewhere in canyon. The point is well taken, fixed lines are not ethically(against the rules)a good practice. Now can we all move on. But I would like my gear back.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Bocan

Randy W. wrote:
Oh SNAP! Boulder on boulder HATE... AWESOME. Must be nice to worry about such insignificant crap! Who cares if his line was dangling? Thus a panty bunch validates theivery! Only in the boulder bubble. EDJ... sorry you got jacked! I have seen lines hanging in CCC for months and nobody gave two craps.


And in comes Randy at the first irrelevant opportunity to smash on Boulder once again. Man you must have really got your butt hurt here to despise this town so much. It's just a place on the map man...it didn't do anything to you.

Anyways...besides the ethical debate on this rope, hung draws, stashed bags etc...stealing is LAMESAUCE.

Hopefully someone will return it to you.


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By Tony T.
From Denver, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Getting up the Great Dihedral on Hallet Peak, RMNP.

Seriously, this is so silly. You all are debating minutely varying levels of environmental impact and aesthetics.

I hate to break it to you, but your little "niche" sport isn't a niche anymore. There is severe and irreparable environmental damage occurring anywhere thousands of people want to climb rocks. Hillsides are being washed away from erosion, pin scars and chipped holds still mar cliffs, waste and excrement pollute fragile alpine environments, the vehicles we use to get to climbs poison the air, etc.

Why not put this much energy into volunteering with Access Fund or your local crag association to try and mitigate the more serious and detrimental impacts to our "beloved" climbing areas instead of bickering about a single fucking rope?! Wake.the.fuck.up.


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By El Duderado
Sep 26, 2012

The bickering/ethics debate was brought on by a few anonymous Internet people.

The larger issue is that this guy's rope was stolen.


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By CJC
Sep 26, 2012

Randy W. wrote:
Oh SNAP! Boulder on boulder HATE... AWESOME. Must be nice to worry about such insignificant crap! Who cares if his line was dangling?


well obviously YOU care

and this ain't CCC LOL


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By Ian Stewart
Sep 26, 2012

Ethics aside, are people really THAT surprised that a rope went missing? With the average price of ropes nearing $200 these days, that's not an insignificant booty for a thief. I've had FAR less expensive things ganked from me before. Hell, I had a dying plant stolen from my porch once.

We'd like to think that all climbers are honest, and I'd say most are. But it only takes one to steal a rope (and they don't even have to be a climber), so it's your call if you want to take that chance.

I do hope you get your rope back though, EDJ.


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