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Eldo - Genesis - Fixed Rope

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mt.wilson · · Golden, CO · Joined Jun 2009 · Points: 45

Anybody know the story with the fixed rope on genesis is? I'm sick of looking at it, its been there over a week.

Steve Sangdahl · · eldo sprngs, co · Joined Mar 2002 · Points: 735

Yo, Its one of my neighbors here in Eldo workin on a certain variation. I will tell him about your concerns. Peace and f-nes Steve S.

EDJ Johnson · · Eldorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 110

if it bothers you I am sorry, my advice... don't look at it

Glenn Schuler · · Monument, Co. · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 1,330

That's a great attitude EDJ - chances are the rope will be "cleaned up" by someone in short order, then the owner of the rope will come on here whining about their "stolen" gear.

Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

shra,
what is the big deal? is it in the way of anyone?
(not that it is my rope..)

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 883

Keep eldo clean and beautiful. Its not a place for fixed crap! Anyone that thinks their project on some silly variation is so important that they are entitled to leave a fixed rope surely doesn't get the spirit of eldo. The nerve of some people really bunches my panties.

Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

don't start the flame war...

i am sure the fella will move his rope.

and by the way, i think he has the spirit of eldo,
having done more than most of us ever will there,
and living there, and doing first ascents there, etc.

for all you people know, he could be working on cleaning
a new route for you all to enjoy safely..

EDJ Johnson · · Eldorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 110

It is my line. I am having fun on that rock climb. The rope is not in the way. Soon it will be down as I am ready to try and lead it. thank you for all of your opinions

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,520

This is how the Boulder Rope Wars got started.

Just sayin'.

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,520
JLP wrote:Is this a nice rope? I could use a 10ish mm.
I was going to say that. It's raining down here in the Springs right now. Is this rope also getting wet up there? Does it have a good, quality dry treatment? I find other so-called dry treatments just are not up to snuff.
Umph! · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2004 · Points: 180
EDJ wrote:if it bothers you I am sorry, my advice... don't look at it
Why didn't you say it was your rope to begin with? Oh, I get it. . . you're super-cool!

I'm guessing you're building lots of support for your ACE submission.
Eldo Love · · Mancos,CO · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 125

Come on people now, people now, drivin hybrids people now, people now, come on people now, people now. -Stan Marsh

Eldo Love · · Mancos,CO · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 125
All Killer No Filler wrote:What a bunch of hairless ballsacks you Eldo folk are. Threatening online to jack a rope with accountability, hating on people owning up to what they're doing honestly, just generally being walking talking excuses for cold sores- Golden Fuckface Award goes to the first person in this forum to set themselves on fire. The rest are second best. Hey, what's new on Oprah's book club list, you walking testosterone cases?
I live in Eldo and I'm not a hairless ballsack... awwww man
Eldo Love · · Mancos,CO · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 125

hahaha okay mr. "walking testosterone case". jeez.

Joe Huggins · · Grand Junction · Joined Oct 2001 · Points: 105

I am going to weigh in here to tell you guys that EDJ is a no shit badass. He's working on a New Route that most of you could only dream about. Stop bitching. It will be great. Or,maybe you only like pre-approved, helmet friendly, not-too-runout, past achievements...

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,705

Hi Joe.
I've stayed out of this until now.
Working a route I could only dream of?
You mean a rehearsed headpoint?

Yawn... No matter the grade. It's been done if it isn't 5.15.

That is your values and perhaps his. And other people may or may not be impressed. If you expect them to value your goals, perhaps you should acknowledge that theirs are different.

Different strokes for different folks.

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 883
Tony B wrote:Hi Joe. I've stayed out of this until now. Working a route I could only dream of? You mean a rehearsed headpoint? Yawn... No matter the grade. It's been done if it isn't 5.15. That is your values and perhaps his. And other people may or may not be impressed. If you expect them to value your goals, perhaps you should acknowledge that theirs are different. Different strokes for different folks.
Thanks for that Tony. Well said.

It is amazing how people try to legitimize their actions. In some cases, others will do it for them.

What I love about Eldo... it is one of the best preserved areas anywhere, ethics, style, history. But, the Boschefellers and the Hiltionians are pressing in. It is unlikely anybody will be impressed by some 5 whatever, rehearsed headpoint. But, if edj is so BA, then it should only take minutes to ascend the nearest route and set up said fixed line. Then, remove at the end of the day. Nobody will have a problem with that. Style kids, style.
frankstoneline · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 30

If you really care so much about pristine wilderness and outdoor ethics just stop climbing. A line hung temporarily on a project is much less an eyesore and much more temporary than the trails, chalk stains and tape balls "environmentally conscious" and "ethically driven" climbers produce on the daily.
The greenest thing you could possibly do is to go hang yourself from a fucking tree.

Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,705
frankstoneline wrote:If you really care so much about pristine wilderness and outdoor ethics just stop climbing. A line hung temporarily on a project is much less an eyesore and much more temporary than the trails, chalk stains and tape balls "environmentally conscious" and "ethically driven" climbers produce on the daily. The greenest thing you could possibly do is to go hang yourself from a fucking tree.
Nice try - false paradox. Find me with chalk (I don't use it) or tape (same) in Eldo and then lecture me.
Pointing out a different bad behavior and then accusing a 3rd party of it is a foolish argument to make.
The point remains the same - expect that someone is going to have different values. And the people who don't like the rope probably like the tape and chalk even less than you do, so associating them with that is a straw man at best.
For my own part, the rope for a week is not bothering me, but I'm starting to develop a distaste for the attitude that comes with it, which makes me appreciate it less.

Talk like that to people who don't like the rope and at some point you should expect someone to trump you by just taking it down. You are not coming from a position of power (it is not legal, in fact) and provoking a crowd is never smart when your back is turned. You are not doing edj any favors.

In my opinion the wisest most mature response, would have been:
"Sorry, I didn't realize that some people would have that reaction. I'm hoping you'll realize that it is a valuable project for me and not intended to be a permanent installation." I am putting a lot of effort into that project and should finish soon, and I promise that the moment the project is down, I will remove the rope immediately. Thanks for understanding."

I imagine that would have provoked a lot less ire and certainly would have demonstrated a lot more awareness of others rather the rather self-absorbed/entitled responses that were given. I can tell people not to look at litter. But it's not a good answer. At this point I'd still leave the rope up, but if someone told me that they were going to take it down, I'd just shrug. "If you are going to be stupid you better be tough." That goes for both sides.
Cor · · Sandbagging since 1989 · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 1,445

can anyone tell me why this is such a big fukin deal?

how much i care.

Scott McMahon · · Boulder, CO · Joined Feb 2006 · Points: 1,425

Why haven't the rangers taken it down? I would think that would have been the first thing that happened.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Colorado
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