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By mt.wilson
From Denver
Sep 24, 2012
officer friendly
Anybody know the story with the fixed rope on genesis is? I'm sick of looking at it, its been there over a week.

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By Steve Sangdahl
From eldo sprngs,co
Sep 25, 2012
Yo, Its one of my neighbors here in Eldo workin on a certain variation. I will tell him about your concerns. Peace and f-nes Steve S.

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By EDJ
From Eldorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 25, 2012
if it bothers you I am sorry, my advice... don't look at it

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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Sep 25, 2012
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA...
That's a great attitude EDJ - chances are the rope will be "cleaned up" by someone in short order, then the owner of the rope will come on here whining about their "stolen" gear.

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By CJC
Sep 25, 2012
thanks shralp good looking out that thing is an eyesore

sorry I can't just not look at it lol

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By Cor
Sep 25, 2012
black nasty
shra,
what is the big deal? is it in the way of anyone?
(not that it is my rope..)

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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 25, 2012
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
Keep eldo clean and beautiful. Its not a place for fixed crap! Anyone that thinks their project on some silly variation is so important that they are entitled to leave a fixed rope surely doesn't get the spirit of eldo. The nerve of some people really bunches my panties.

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By Cor
Sep 25, 2012
black nasty
don't start the flame war...

i am sure the fella will move his rope.

and by the way, i think he has the spirit of eldo,
having done more than most of us ever will there,
and living there, and doing first ascents there, etc.

for all you people know, he could be working on cleaning
a new route for you all to enjoy safely..

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By EDJ
From Eldorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 25, 2012
It is my line. I am having fun on that rock climb. The rope is not in the way. Soon it will be down as I am ready to try and lead it. thank you for all of your opinions

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By Dave Cummings
From Grand Junction, CO
Sep 25, 2012
me on my redpoint
This is why I don't like climbing in Boulder anymore, so much bull shit attitude.

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By Ryan-Nelson
From Fort Collins, CO
Sep 25, 2012
NCCC
Dave Cummings wrote:
This is why I don't like climbing in Boulder anymore, so much bull shit attitude.


Agreed

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 25, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
This is how the Boulder Rope Wars got started.

Just sayin'.

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 25, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
JLP wrote:
Is this a nice rope? I could use a 10ish mm.


I was going to say that. It's raining down here in the Springs right now. Is this rope also getting wet up there? Does it have a good, quality dry treatment? I find other so-called dry treatments just are not up to snuff.

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By Umph!
Sep 25, 2012
EDJ wrote:
if it bothers you I am sorry, my advice... don't look at it


Why didn't you say it was your rope to begin with? Oh, I get it. . . you're super-cool!

I'm guessing you're building lots of support for your ACE submission.

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By Eldo Love
From Dolores, CO
Sep 25, 2012
The front yard
Come on people now, people now, drivin hybrids people now, people now, come on people now, people now. -Stan Marsh

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By Cultivating Mass
Sep 25, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
What a bunch of hairless ballsacks you Eldo folk are. Threatening online to jack a rope with accountability, hating on people owning up to what they're doing honestly, just generally being walking talking excuses for cold sores-

Golden Fuckface Award goes to the first person in this forum to set themselves on fire. The rest are second best.

Hey, what's new on Oprah's book club list, you walking testosterone cases?

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By Eldo Love
From Dolores, CO
Sep 25, 2012
The front yard
All Killer No Filler wrote:
What a bunch of hairless ballsacks you Eldo folk are. Threatening online to jack a rope with accountability, hating on people owning up to what they're doing honestly, just generally being walking talking excuses for cold sores- Golden Fuckface Award goes to the first person in this forum to set themselves on fire. The rest are second best. Hey, what's new on Oprah's book club list, you walking testosterone cases?


I live in Eldo and I'm not a hairless ballsack... awwww man

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By Cultivating Mass
Sep 25, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
^^^^^Prove it.

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By Eldo Love
From Dolores, CO
Sep 25, 2012
The front yard
hahaha okay mr. "walking testosterone case". jeez.

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By Cultivating Mass
Sep 25, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Ah, the inability to process irony. Hallmark of the most important thinkers in the world.

Shit I say=to laugh at, shit you say=shaking my head.

To put it in algebraic terms, y'unnastan.

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By Joe Huggins
From Grand Junction
Sep 25, 2012
mmmm....tree
I am going to weigh in here to tell you guys that EDJ is a no shit badass. He's working on a New Route that most of you could only dream about. Stop bitching. It will be great. Or,maybe you only like pre-approved, helmet friendly, not-too-runout, past achievements...

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
Hi Joe.
I've stayed out of this until now.
Working a route I could only dream of?
You mean a rehearsed headpoint?

Yawn... No matter the grade. It's been done if it isn't 5.15.

That is your values and perhaps his. And other people may or may not be impressed. If you expect them to value your goals, perhaps you should acknowledge that theirs are different.

Different strokes for different folks.

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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 26, 2012
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
Tony B wrote:
Hi Joe. I've stayed out of this until now. Working a route I could only dream of? You mean a rehearsed headpoint? Yawn... No matter the grade. It's been done if it isn't 5.15. That is your values and perhaps his. And other people may or may not be impressed. If you expect them to value your goals, perhaps you should acknowledge that theirs are different. Different strokes for different folks.



Thanks for that Tony. Well said.

It is amazing how people try to legitimize their actions. In some cases, others will do it for them.

What I love about Eldo... it is one of the best preserved areas anywhere, ethics, style, history. But, the Boschefellers and the Hiltionians are pressing in. It is unlikely anybody will be impressed by some 5 whatever, rehearsed headpoint. But, if edj is so BA, then it should only take minutes to ascend the nearest route and set up said fixed line. Then, remove at the end of the day. Nobody will have a problem with that. Style kids, style.

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By frankstoneline
Sep 26, 2012
If you really care so much about pristine wilderness and outdoor ethics just stop climbing. A line hung temporarily on a project is much less an eyesore and much more temporary than the trails, chalk stains and tape balls "environmentally conscious" and "ethically driven" climbers produce on the daily.
The greenest thing you could possibly do is to go hang yourself from a fucking tree.

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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Sep 26, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
frankstoneline wrote:
If you really care so much about pristine wilderness and outdoor ethics just stop climbing. A line hung temporarily on a project is much less an eyesore and much more temporary than the trails, chalk stains and tape balls "environmentally conscious" and "ethically driven" climbers produce on the daily. The greenest thing you could possibly do is to go hang yourself from a fucking tree.


Nice try - false paradox. Find me with chalk (I don't use it) or tape (same) in Eldo and then lecture me.
Pointing out a different bad behavior and then accusing a 3rd party of it is a foolish argument to make.
The point remains the same - expect that someone is going to have different values. And the people who don't like the rope probably like the tape and chalk even less than you do, so associating them with that is a straw man at best.
For my own part, the rope for a week is not bothering me, but I'm starting to develop a distaste for the attitude that comes with it, which makes me appreciate it less.

Talk like that to people who don't like the rope and at some point you should expect someone to trump you by just taking it down. You are not coming from a position of power (it is not legal, in fact) and provoking a crowd is never smart when your back is turned. You are not doing edj any favors.

In my opinion the wisest most mature response, would have been:
"Sorry, I didn't realize that some people would have that reaction. I'm hoping you'll realize that it is a valuable project for me and not intended to be a permanent installation." I am putting a lot of effort into that project and should finish soon, and I promise that the moment the project is down, I will remove the rope immediately. Thanks for understanding."

I imagine that would have provoked a lot less ire and certainly would have demonstrated a lot more awareness of others rather the rather self-absorbed/entitled responses that were given. I can tell people not to look at litter. But it's not a good answer. At this point I'd still leave the rope up, but if someone told me that they were going to take it down, I'd just shrug. "If you are going to be stupid you better be tough." That goes for both sides.

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By Cor
Sep 26, 2012
black nasty
can anyone tell me why this is such a big fukin deal?


how much i care.
how much i care.

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