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By Michael Roadie
May 12, 2012
Sugarite

I just bought 18 cams that are over 10 years old, wired bliss and 3rd gen camolots. The guy took good care of them, the slings are in good condition with only slight discoloration -dirt- on a few. I personally have a 3rd gen BD rack .5 - 3 basically new and stored in dark cool dry basement, that I bought in 95. There is a local (100 mi) guy with a good reputation that will re-sling cams for 4$ ea. He has 4 colors and uses dyneema. My question is should I have these re-slung? And if so what are your thoughts on dyneema?


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By JesseT
From Portland, OR
May 12, 2012
25' drop...wheeeeee!

Reslinging is a good idea, especially if there's discoloration (or if you have any doubts whatsoever). The third gen camalots don't have the thumb loop, right? If they're the camalots with thumb loops they need to be slung with nylon, otherwise dyneema's fine. Its main shortcoming is that it has a shorter service life.


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By Michael Roadie
May 12, 2012
Sugarite

Awesome link Jesse! Thanks! Even though my cams are 3rd gen and can handle dyneema, for 5$ I'm going to send all 12 camalots directly to BD. That way I get the origional colors too! The wired bliss cams have the cable loop like the C4s. After reading the BD article I'm quite sure dyneema would not be good for them. I noticed that the origional slings on the W.B. are configured just like the new C4s. I wonder where BD got the idea?


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By 20 kN
From Hawaii
May 13, 2012

Michael Roadie wrote:
I just bought 18 cams that are over 10 years old, wired bliss and 3rd gen camolots. The guy took good care of them, the slings are in good condition with only slight discoloration -dirt- on a few. I personally have a 3rd gen BD rack .5 - 3 basically new and stored in dark cool dry basement, that I bought in 95. There is a local (100 mi) guy with a good reputation that will re-sling cams for 4$ ea. He has 4 colors and uses dyneema. My question is should I have these re-slung? And if so what are your thoughts on dyneema?

I don't know about the 3rd gen Camalots, but the C4s must be reslung by BD! Or rather, they must be reslung the way BD slings them. BD has done testing with Dyneema slings on the new C4s and they found that substituting the doubled up 11/16" OEM sling with a Dyneema sling reduced the strength of the cam to around 10 kN, and physical deformation of the maincable occurred at less than half of that. The problem was that the steel maincable would actually cut through the Dyneema sling.

Read here: www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/blog/index/view/slug/qc->>>

So my suggestion would be to send them to BD to be reslung.


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By Monty
From Golden, CO
May 13, 2012
Just a teaser

I believe wired bliss is able to re-sling c4's. They're out of Loveland, CO and have a really quick turn around. Worth an email at least.
www.wiredblissusa.com/


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By slim
Administrator
May 13, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

i'm not a huge fan of the dyneema for cam slings. it just wears,abrades too quickly. i use it for shoulder length slings, which i consider disposable, but getting my cams slung more often would be more of a hassle.


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
May 13, 2012

slim wrote:
i'm not a huge fan of the dyneema for cam slings. it just wears,abrades too quickly. i use it for shoulder length slings, which i consider disposable, but getting my cams slung more often would be more of a hassle.


agreed. dyneema has a much shorter usable life span than nylon. i'd go with nylon. wired bliss or yates does it pretty cheap as well.


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By crewdoglm
From TAFB CA
May 13, 2012
78 degrees north at 40,000 bearing about 220. Five hour sunset.

Yates indicates on their website at least that they will not resling cams older than 10 years. I find that excessive but it's their party. I recently used Mountain Tools in Carmel CA. They use dyneema and they add the BD style extra loop on cable-framed cams. I know they will NOT re-sling Camalots with bare wire and I am on board with that one for sure. I did the Dyneema thing as it cuts bulk and weight off the rack and you don't re-sling cams every day. If I were going for max life-span however I would definitely use regular nylon webbing through Wired Bliss or Yates. www.mtntools.com


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By slim
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May 13, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

i've sent yates some pretty old rigid friends. i don't think they really follow that rule too closely. i've had really good experiences with them, probably had 20 to 30 cams re-slung by them at a good price, in a good time frame, and with a good selection of slinging material.


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By crewdoglm
From TAFB CA
May 13, 2012
78 degrees north at 40,000 bearing about 220. Five hour sunset.

slim wrote:
i've sent yates some pretty old rigid friends. i don't think they really follow that rule too closely. i've had really good experiences with them, probably had 20 to 30 cams re-slung by them at a good price, in a good time frame, and with a good selection of slinging material.


Good to know. Thanks. I think the last year Rigid Friends were produced was like 2001 and those were the snazzy colored ones. Maybe I will send a couple from 95' up there as a test.


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By marcin ksok
From Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 19, 2013

A word of caution about Mtn Tools-had my cams reslung recently with longer slings. First I called them and confirmed that they would do the resling as described-they agreed, I mailed them in with a detailed note, got the cams back with wrong slings. On the phone they admitted to making a mistake but then really tried to talk me out of repairing their mistake, I would not budge and sent the cams back in. At this time I had a trip coming up, but they assured that I would get the cams within 8 days. I called back 4 business days later-they have not touched them yet. They were finally on fedex truck two days before my trip, but they send them to a wrong address. Eventually they called fedex and had them left on my front door for lack of other options which did not make me happy having a box of 15 cams sitting there. It all turned out well in the end,after 3 weeks, but I did have to pay shipping 4 ways $100 worth of and they refused to work with me on covering a part of that. It seems that their process or communication needs some work. Hopefully the actual resling was done more professionally than the rest of the process since I have to climb on the things now.


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By Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Apr 19, 2013

FYI: I've had really terrible experiences with Mountain Tools on two separate occasions... I won't order anything from them anymore.
I used to love their packs though!


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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Apr 20, 2013
Flaming Pumpkin

marcin ksok wrote:
A word of caution about Mtn Tools-had my cams reslung recently with longer slings. First I called them and confirmed that they would do the resling as described-they agreed, I mailed them in with a detailed note, got the cams back with wrong slings. On the phone they admitted to making a mistake but then really tried to talk me out of repairing their mistake, I would not budge and sent the cams back in. At this time I had a trip coming up, but they assured that I would get the cams within 8 days. I called back 4 business days later-they have not touched them yet. They were finally on fedex truck two days before my trip, but they send them to a wrong address. Eventually they called fedex and had them left on my front door for lack of other options which did not make me happy having a box of 15 cams sitting there. It all turned out well in the end,after 3 weeks, but I did have to pay shipping 4 ways $100 worth of and they refused to work with me on covering a part of that. It seems that their process or communication needs some work. Hopefully the actual resling was done more professionally than the rest of the process since I have to climb on the things now.


That's why you ALWAYS get a shipping account number when returning items due to another companies fault if they don't pay for it themselves. If they don't give you their account number, do a credit card charge back for services not provided for the slings, file a complaint with the BBB, and take your business somewhere else.


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By Rob Warden, Space Lizard
From Springdale Ut
Apr 21, 2013
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I had a few cams re-slung by Wired bliss top notch stuff. I am also am a fan of Nylon over spectra. I had all my aliens re-slung with camalot style re-enforced slings and could not be more pleased. the thin slings kinked the cable loops these new ones are much kinder on the units.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 21, 2013
Cleo's Needle

For what Metolius charges to resling I'll just keep using dyneema. We're talking about less than $100 over ten years, its just not that big of a deal.


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By NYClimber
From New York
Apr 24, 2013
Awesome slab climb right out of the water! Rogers Rock, Lake George, NY. Summer 2013.

Eric and Lucie wrote:
FYI: I've had really terrible experiences with Mountain Tools on two separate occasions... I won't order anything from them anymore. I used to love their packs though!


I haven't found their prices to be all that competitive vs. Moosejaw, EMS, Campmor, etc. Yeah - they offer discounts if one a customer buys TWO (2) ice tools, etc - but that's about it. At least at EMS and Moosejaw I earn points for free gear and get regular e-mails with 15% and 20% off coupons toward gear!


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By Jason Lantz
Apr 24, 2013

these guys do awesome work...

www.runoutcustoms.com/


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