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By randy88fj62
Jun 18, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades
I cam accross Cassin's double fifi hook design which they call the "lunacy fifi." Why would you need two fifi hooks for aid climbing? Does the second one help during traverses or other situations that I am not picturing? Or is it just a fad?

Anyone acutually use this product?

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By Ed Wright
Jun 18, 2012
Magic Ed
That's an OK idea but I think I would still much prefer my adjustable fifi by Kong.
adjustable fifi hook
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By randy88fj62
Jun 18, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades
Ed,
Both designs are foreign to me. Why the adjustability for fifis?

I assumed that a girth hitched, fixed fifi was adequate with daisy chains.

If I wanted full adjustability I would go with fish adjustable daisies and eliminate the fifi hook all together.

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By Ed Wright
Jun 19, 2012
Magic Ed
I've never used adjustable daisy chains so I don't know how they would work, especially being connected to your aiders and hooks and other gear.

The beauty of this adjustable fifi is that it is an independent piece that you can stretch as far as you can reach and then cinch it tight as you step up.

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By randy88fj62
Jun 19, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades
Ed,
What advantage does this give you over a standard girth hitched fifi hook? On positive angle aid I only ue my fifi hook when resting at a placement.
The only advantage I can see with your cinching setup is for overhanging situations where you don't want to waste arm strength.

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By Steve86
Jun 19, 2012
Never used the lunacy fifi but I understand it to be one short and one long fifi hook which gives you two different lengths. One for getting in tight on pieces and a longer one that is more suitable for top stepping.

Using adjustable daisies is absolutely the better system compared to the traditional daisy/fifi combo. In particular I like the Yates adjustables as they can be released while under load. Compared to a pocketed daisy and fifi the adjustable daisy is much more efficient and must less of a cluster.

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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Jun 19, 2012
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord
i use yates daisies and a fifi. on steep stuff you can't get short enough to top step high enough with the yates daisies alone IMO.

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By FreeRangeHuman
From safari van
Jun 19, 2012
i sometimes use 2 fifi's; one real short for getting as high as possible, and one longer for highstepping

adjustable daisies do not replace fifi's, you can't get nearly as high on the piece with them.

adjustable fifi's don't seem to make any since at all...

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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Jun 19, 2012
FreeRangeHuman wrote:
adjustable daisies do not replace fifi's



Not buying this at all. Last three walls I did were with adjustables and no fifi, and they all had quite steep pitches on them.

In fact, I find that when I get really high on a piece, I actually need to EXTEND the adjustable daisy a little. I also use Russians, rather than etriers, which make a pretty big difference in balance when you're high on a piece, but at least one of my partners was in regular ladders, adjustables, no fifi.

So, yeah, they absolutely can make a fifi totally unnecessary.

The only reason I still even have a fifi is for soloing so I can hang the haulbag from it and rig it to lift off the anchor letting me counterweight haul on rap. Saves a hell of a lot of work when you don't actually have to haul, just rap as normal to clean the pitch and watch your bag go up.

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By Steve86
Jun 19, 2012
I agree with Will S. Standing in my ladders in the top step I have to extend my adjustable daisies from their tightest setting which obviates the need for a fifi. So, for me at least, my adjustable daisies have replaced my fifi.

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