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By CareBear
From SLC, UT
Jan 8, 2013

I want to preface this with, I am very new to ice climbing, and I know understanding and reading ice stability is something that I will need many days on ice to grasp.

I was wondering, when ice forms does the type of rock it forms on influence the stability of the ice formation at the rock/ice interface? For example does ice formed on granite have a stronger bond with the rock then on quartzite? I imagine that this is true. If so, is there a hierarchy that is known? Such as granite>sandstone>the woody in the gym?

I look forward to your responses, thanks in advance.
-Carebear


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By Keenan Waeschle
From Bozeman, MT
Jan 8, 2013
on top of the RNWF <br />June 2012

if anything the shittier the rock the better the bond, due to most crap rock is also very porous. That isn't something to worry about though, if it's delaminating ice climb delicately, if you don't yer gonna die fer sure!


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By Buff Johnson
Jan 8, 2013
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no


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By jack s.
From Kamloops, BC
Jan 8, 2013
Mean Green P2

The strength of the rock is not really a determining factor here. It is the rock-ice interface that matters most. If the rock is super smooth, the ice will have a poorer bond to the rock. Also, if it is warmer and the rock has a darker colour, it could facilitate warming and therefore melting and delaminating the ice. Realistically, if it is cold or fat, not really an issue to the climber. It is pretty amazing how little ice is needed to hold the weight of a human.


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By robrobrobrob
Jan 8, 2013

When I lived in NY we used to climb long routes that were bonded to slate and shale. No way you'd climb those places in the summer, the rock wouldn't hold body weight. But, when you add water, especially in between the layers of shale, it all gets more solid. You could make moves on the rock, gingerly.

Sometimes if there was a lot of water/ice, it was clear that the ice column was more solid than the loose stack of rock behind it.


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By Woodchuck ATC
Jan 8, 2013
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

I would think sandstone or limestone that has seeps and runoff would be better for holding ice than a smooth quartzite. Lighter colors makes sense too, as mentioned above for the heat factor. Lighter granites have texture to hold the ice, and stay cooler. Sedimentary rock seems to be the best guess. Our concrete silo where we make ice, is light in color, and has steel rung/bands every 30 inches. That rung helps hold the ice, besides the rugged concrete. Amazing how little ice is needed to be climbable.,,,and this is always dead vertical or overhanging on the silo too.


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