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By rking101
From Evanston, WY
Sep 10, 2012

I bought a set of these sexy cams, #s 1-6. I will be getting the 0 and 00 and some doubles soon.

I'm new to trad but thought I would post a review of my new cams.

They appear well made and feel like quality (you know what I mean). The trigger is smooth. The thumb bar feels good. I haven't had a problem placing them at all with the thumb bar instead of a thumb loop. The longer sling is nice the only problem is you have to clip the bar tack side. If you clip the other side of the sling to extend it the bar tack wont slide through the holes in the thumb bar. When you go to rerack them it is easy and smooth. They have the same color as the BD C4's cams so your partner wont have to struggle to find the right piece to place.

I have taken only one fall so far. It was only 6ft (It scared the hell outa me, being my first fall on gear) It was on a #2 green Dragon. It didn't even move and afterwards, when I looked at it for any faults, there were none.

I hope this helps some one looking at cams. It took me 4 weeks of reading reviews and looking at cams. Best advice I can give though is buy what you want.

Ric


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By mountainhick
From Black Hawk, CO
Sep 11, 2012

A couple guys I hooked up with at the creek had a set of these, all brand new. I think it was the green that had something really wrong with it. It had no trauma, no falls or anything, just malfunctioned. The cam lobes were not rotating freely and got stuck. I don't remember the exact problem, but do remember we could see what was causing it at the time. I think it had to do with the springs/roll pins between the cams and there being too much play across the length of the axles, so the cams slid sideways on the axle, something passed behind something else and got stuck so the cams would not expand/retract correctly.

They just seemed more or less like tweaked close knock offs of C4 camalots but more flimsy, and with the malfunction, well, I'm not buying.


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By Superclimber
Sep 11, 2012

Ben Hicks wrote:
They just seemed more or less like tweaked close knock offs of C4 camalots but more flimsy, and with the malfunction, well, I'm not buying.

Glad somebody else noticed this too. I thought they felt flimsy and found them to be mor prone to walking than the C4s. Other than the slings, I really didn't like them very much.


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By patto
Sep 12, 2012

Seriously how are they more flimsy?


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By johnthethird
Sep 12, 2012

I have the largest 4 dragons, and a few BD's. The extendable sling, I cold take it or leave it. Other than that, IMO, they're the same as BD's.

Except with a smaller cam angle, which is what sold me.


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Sep 12, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Your review is missing some things.

You mention that you have the 1-6 set of Dragons. You should have also mentioned, since you mentioned that the colors correlate with BD sizes, that the 1-6 set is the same as the .5 to 4 size in the C4 Camalots. Sometimes it seems as if things can go without saying but if you're doing a review, you want it to be as thorough as you can. Let the reader sift through what he or she thinks is pertinent information or not.

"you no what i mean" is not descriptive enough to be in a review of any kind of gear- not if you want anyone to take your review seriously. Tell us what you mean. Is there good action on the trigger? Do the stops feel solid when the trigger is released? Are all the lobes balanced and aligned? These are the details you need to include when you're reviewing the overall look and feel of a cam upon first examination.

I don't own Dragons, or any cam that comes from the factory with an extendable sling, so the bit about clipping the bar tack side is a good detail to include.

"When you go to rerack them it is easy and smooth" What does this have to do with the actual cam? If you are proficient at clipping a biner to a gear loop, it should be easy and smooth.

When you mentioned a bar for the thumb as opposed to the current design the most cams have gone to, the loop, it's also worth mentioning that this is the style of the previous Camalot.

Finally, any good review has pictures. What better way to illustrate your points of review than with pictures? Pictures would be especially useful to convey what you mean when referring to clipping only the bar tacked side of the extendable sling. Something the majority of people could figure out easily- but again, with a review you're shooting for thorough and unbiased.

I don't mean to bust your balls. If you're going to post a review of some gear for others to ingest, you should be prepared for a critique of your review.


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By rking101
From Evanston, WY
Sep 12, 2012

@ Jake Thanks for all the info and input this is my 1st review and 1st set of cams so im sure im missing lots of good info that people should know.

You know what i mean- Ever get to a new crag and touch the rock and know its going to be a great day? You know what i mean lol .


A little more info.

They have a 13.75 camming angle. They have stiff springs to help prevent walking. The 1-6 Dragons have a 14kn active and passive strengh.


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By Don MacKenzie
From Seattle, WA
Sep 12, 2012

I'm a big fan of the thumb loop on my C4s (sizes 1-3), and how they feel when placed. I'm a big fan of the extendable sling on my old DMM 4CU, and the build quality. So when I was faced with getting a new cam in the 0.75 C4 range, I was torn between the C4 and the Dragon.

In the end I opted for the Dragon, just to try something new. I am glad I did. I love the build quality, smooth action, and secure feeling of the placements. I don't miss the thumb loop at all, at least not at this size. The extendable sling is a great source of flexibility. I trust this cam as much as any other on my rack.


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By rking101
From Evanston, WY
Sep 12, 2012

A few pics of the Green Dragon #2 (Same as BD .75) it has taken a few falls now and been placed lots.
Specs- Weight 106 grams. Passive and Active strengh 14kn.
Range 24-41mm. Overall Lenght with sling extended 15.5in w\o carbiner.


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By bearbreeder
Sep 12, 2012

Ive used my dragons for over a season now ... They work perfectly fine ... I havent had any issues with them getting stuck, i just place the correct size

I find the sling very useful as it saves the weight of a short draw

The camming angle is better than the camalots, i dont know how much of a difference this makes, but on limestone, ill take theoretical extra holding power i can get

My main gripe is the price, so ive been looking for them on sale

Ive fallen on mine, and they hold perfectly fine

Imo they are basically a camalot without a thumb loop but can save you a shortie

At the end of the day its the climber that matters, not the specific brand of cam ;)


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Sep 12, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Holy jeez man! Do you rack all your cams with big ass solid gate D biners?


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Sep 12, 2012
Bocan

Jake Jones wrote:
Holy jeez man! Do you rack all your cams with big ass solid gate D biners?


haha I think these are all the cams he has so far, so until his rack grows I'm sure he'll be fine.

That's pretty funny tho. Good catch.


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By rking101
From Evanston, WY
Sep 12, 2012

Lol i seen that coming bought online for a great price from gear express didnt look at the size of them they will be changed next payday

My rack is 6 cams. 4 tri cams. Set of nuts. 4 hexes. Then the random stuff draws and lockers. Slings webbing and few extra carbiners


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By CJC
Sep 12, 2012

Jake Jones wrote:
Holy jeez man! Do you rack all your cams with big ass solid gate D biners?


do you do anything but troll MP 24/7?


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By Unassigned User
Sep 12, 2012

CJC wrote:
do you do anything than troll the internet 24/7?


Pretty sure this got covered in the "what do people do for a living" thread. I think Jake is like me and works a desk job that is quite slow.


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By johnthethird
Sep 12, 2012

bearbreeder wrote:
My main gripe is the price, so ive been looking for them on sale



Online retailers in the US have them on sale fairly often. Ive never paid more than 62$ even for the #6, which I have doubles of.

You'll likely get dinged pretty good for shipping them to canada.


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By rking101
From Evanston, WY
Sep 12, 2012

I buy all my gear at gear exspess since they are in the slc area


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By K-Tanz
From Phoenix, AZ
Oct 6, 2012
Leading up pitch 2 of Moby Dick, Cochise Stronghold, AZ

I just bought a #6 Dragon cause, to be honest, I wanted to see what a big cam that wasn't a BD was like and the price was the same as the #4 BD.

I really wanted to love this thing and absolutely love DMM carabiners. I haven't had a chance to place it yet but initially here's my thoughts. Please note I HAVE NOT placed this yet so this will be superficial.

The action on the BD is smoother. The Dragon is smooth and even but side by side the BD just has a smoother action. The extendable sling is great and I want them on all of my cams. The thing is gorgeous and the attention to detail is (seemingly) undeniable and the craftsmanship is gorgeous.

I say seemingly undeniable because after pulling the trigger for twenty minutes in the car one of the lobes decided to stop rebounding back to neutral. The thing just sticks down retracted and won't go back unless I push it with my finger back up with its friends. This is literally twenty minutes after leaving the gear shop. They are going to warranty it but this was not a great first impression. I thought about lubing it but then thought screw that I shouldn't need to lube something right out of the box.

So if you get one that doesn't stick, it's on sale, and you want something that's not a C4 go for it. I would say that it's no nicer than the BD, just prettier.


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By Glass Tupperware
From that stuff out East
Oct 31, 2012
Summitting Independence Monument

I have the number three and four dragons to complement my rack of c4's. The extendable runners are nice if you're at a crux move, but otherwise I normally throw a runner on anyway. They are also noticeably lighter and they don't feel any more flimsy to me.

Having said that, the trigger wires on my number 4 frequently get bent, preventing me from opening/closing the cam (initially happened after taking a whipper on it). It's easy enough to bend them back into shape, but it's annoying if it happens mid pitch.

Overall, they're neat to show off and I'm glad I have them, but I like them just as much as my c4's.


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