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By James M Schroeder
From Sauk County, WI
Jun 19, 2014
Photo by Pete "Coach" Arndt
Dylan and/or Doug,

So is a handsaw ok? This is the question I have been asking for the last day-and-a-half. Other than Jon saying he thinks it's ok, I haven't seen anyone else address the issue and since Jon doesn't appear to have the intimate knowledge of DNR policy that you guys have; I was hoping one of you guys that seem to have that expertise would pipe in on it...If we show up with a bow saw or two-man crosscut will there be any backlash?

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By James M Schroeder
From Sauk County, WI
Jun 19, 2014
Photo by Pete "Coach" Arndt
Of course another tack we could take is to attack one of the huge contributors to the problem, which is large group size - seems like every year the big groups get both bigger and more common. Maybe we could convince folks to self-police and limit group size to less than six (especially in the more crowded and sensitive areas of the park). I think this would have a huge impact on the erosion problem.

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By Dylan B.
Jun 19, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008
Now the banner across MP.com is a Woodcraft ad for a two-man crosscut saw. If google is watching, how much longer before the WI-DNR will be tracking this conversation?

James,

I don't actually know what the park officials will say about using a handsaw to cut up a downed log. Probably they'd have no problem with it whether or not we asked, because it's no different than collecting down wood for a campfire (which I think is permitted, yes?).

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By Jay Knower
Administrator
From Campton, NH
Jun 19, 2014
Technosurfing, Rumney. Photo by Seth Hamel.
D.Buffum wrote:
If google is watching, how much longer before the WI-DNR will be tracking this conversation?


Have you been reading a lot of Kafka lately?

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By Dylan B.
Jun 19, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008
Jay Knower wrote:
Have you been reading a lot of Kafka lately?


As a defense lawyer, I live in a Kafka world. Literally.

I keep a copy of "The Trial" on the shelf above my desk, and have sent excerpts to prosecutors to describe how my client is feeling about their decisions.

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By Jay Knower
Administrator
From Campton, NH
Jun 19, 2014
Technosurfing, Rumney. Photo by Seth Hamel.
D.Buffum wrote:
As a defense lawyer, I live in a Kafka world. Literally. I keep a copy of "The Trial" on the shelf above my desk, and have sent excerpts to prosecutors to describe how my client is feeling about their decisions.


One might argue that we're ALL living in Kafka's world.

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By Dylan B.
Jun 19, 2014
Orgasm Direct, Devil's Lake, 5.11a  c. 2008
Jay Knower wrote:
One might argue that we're ALL living in Kafka's world.


Amen, brother. Amen.

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By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Jun 19, 2014
On Everleigh Club Crack.  Photo by Burt Lindquist.
The last time I discussed this with the Supt was April. In response to someone's request to help clear the CCC trail he said "Thanks for volunteering to help out with the trees on the CCC trail. This is the first I have heard of them. Can you tell me exactly where they are located and how large they are? We will try and get them cut up this week. Volunteers who operate chainsaws on state land are required to have a FISTA certified chainsaw course."

He has told me this is required more than once. He has also told me and Dobbe that minor brush clearing along climbers' trails is OK, and I find elsewhere that the DNR tells hunters they are allowed to do "minor" brush clearing. I would consider returning Gill's base to the state it has been in for decades "minor".

For the long run, and the larger picture of climbers' relation with the DNR, I'd like to take a laundry list of areas that need attention to the DNR. That doesn't particularly have to be before we address Gill's.

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By Matthew Clausen
Jun 19, 2014
When Doug and I were talking with the Supt Schmelzer, I had mentioned that I wanted to use the log that fell across the CCC trail at the top of the bluff to replace the retention log at the base. He didn't object to the proposal in the email.

Even though I got lazy and forgot about it (because I just start climbing every weekend that I get to the lake), the erosion project has silent consent.

I'm a bit far away for a weeknight assist, but I'll catch up with James this weekend to see if I can be of help any other way.

Doug, do you want to start a new thread with the "maintenance list", or should we do it in this thread?

Jon, thanks for making the conversation happen. Good seeing you last Sunday.

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By Gokul
Jun 29, 2014
At the "summit"
Still on for tomorrow? Meeting when, where?

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By jon jugenheimer
From Madison
Jun 29, 2014
hi
415 at the CCC lot. If you can't make it there by then, head up to the base of gills and we should be there unless we are harvesting a dead timber in the woods.

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By Gokul
Jun 30, 2014
At the "summit"
Event postponed for a day without severe thunderstorm and tornado warnings.

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By Tom Lausch
From Madison WI
Jul 9, 2014
Chips and Salsa
Has a new date been proposed?

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By James M Schroeder
From Sauk County, WI
Jul 9, 2014
Photo by Pete "Coach" Arndt
How about Monday the 14th?

EDITED: I won't be here on the 21st.

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