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By DanP
From Georgia
Apr 1, 2013
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Does anyone have any experience with this? lowes.com/pd_134712-70-DCH213B...

The reason I'm interested in it is because I already have a few of the 20V batteries for my other Dewalt power drills. Does the extra 16V of a 36V make that big of a difference?

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Apr 1, 2013
Stoked...
36V makes a HUGE difference depending on the stone you are drilling.

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Apr 1, 2013
modern man
if you have the batteries and chargers 20v is fine, especially if you have extra batteries already. its all about amount of holes really, an 18v Bosch drills almost as fast as a 36v, just less gas in the tank.

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By 1Eric Rhicard
Apr 1, 2013
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Fall Guy wrote:
if you have the batteries and chargers 20v is fine, especially if you have extra batteries already. its all about amount of holes really, an 18v Bosch drills almost as fast as a 36v, just less gas in the tank.


This is not true if you are referring to the old 18 volt bulldog. In southern Arizona granite the newest 36v drill will sink between 20-24 3/8ths by 3 inch long holes at 15 seconds each. The old 18 volt bulldog takes close to 2 minutes per bolt. I have timed them both many times and used both since the mid 1980s.

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Apr 1, 2013
modern man
1Eric Rhicard wrote:
This is not true if you are referring to the old 18 volt bulldog. In southern Arizona granite the newest 36v drill will sink between 20-24 3/8ths by 3 inch long holes at 15 seconds each. The old 18 volt bulldog takes close to 2 minutes per bolt. I have timed them both many times and used both since the mid 1980s.


yeah, I use these things daily, the new 18v rotary kicks ass, just a shitty battery life. especially considering weight into the factor

btw you sure get a bunch of hole per battery, maybe its the heat(warm batteries) down there. cant say I've ever timed them but its the ease of drilling and not the speed I notice in gneiss and basalt.

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By DanP
From Georgia
Apr 4, 2013
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Thanks for the responses!

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By Adam Floyd
From Las Vegas
Nov 23, 2013
Vegas the Dog
Here is the blurb from the Bosch forum post. It is 379 when you add it to the cart and comes with two batteries.

toolnut.com/ProductDetails.asp...

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Nov 23, 2013
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I've got the 20V SDS DeWalt. Bought it this summer. 2 packs are good for all day long bolting lines... Granite at that. Was going to buy a 36V hilti, got cheap and am VERY happy with the drill I got. Refurb, $300. Works like a top for me. Thats the exact drill I bought btw...

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov 23, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.
That's great news, Rockbanned. The Hiltis are pretty damned expensive.




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By iceman777
From Colorado Springs
Nov 24, 2013
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Yea battery and charger not included , so I guess this thing will cost as much as a Bosch by the time you purchase the battery n charger . Damn I was hopin for a less expensive replacement for the 500.00 Bosch . We're not even going to mention a hilti.

As far as the 36v is concerned , I've owned 2 new bosch hammer drills and I can honestly say I've never quite got 20 holes in good solid granite before the thing started chugging down n drilling like shit . This is with the el cheepo ( 7.00 bucks at home depot) bits mind you , could never really see the point in spending upwards of 40.00 per bit for the drilling I was doing as none of it involved placing protection bolts . All that being said sounds like a pretty sweet deal for someone like yourself with battery's and charger to spare .

If I was in the position your in with the charger n batteries I'd prolly pull the plug n buy one and if it held up like a Bosch or hilti then bonus !

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Dec 24, 2013
Slab...
iceman777 wrote:
Yea battery and charger not included , so I guess this thing will cost as much as a Bosch by the time you purchase the battery n charger . Damn I was hopin for a less expensive replacement for the 500.00 Bosch . We're not even going to mention a hilti. As far as the 36v is concerned , I've owned 2 new bosch hammer drills and I can honestly say I've never quite got 20 holes in good solid granite before the thing started chugging down n drilling like shit . This is with the el cheepo ( 7.00 bucks at home depot) bits mind you , could never really see the point in spending upwards of 40.00 per bit for the drilling I was doing as none of it involved placing protection bolts . All that being said sounds like a pretty sweet deal for someone like yourself with battery's and charger to spare . If I was in the position your in with the charger n batteries I'd prolly pull the plug n buy one and if it held up like a Bosch or hilti then bonus !


I know this is late, but mine came with 2 batteries, charger and case. I just checked, it was $329.70 shipped to my door.

amazon.com/gp/product/B000HI0Z...

Side note. I buy ALL Fixe hardware. Bits are like $12. They are SDS+, but they are compatible with SDS drills. SDS and SDS+ are compatible. There's another type of SDS, called SDS Max, they DO NOT work with the previous.

I use 12mm for bolts and 3/8 for top anchors per their suggestions.

fixehardware.com/shop/drilling...

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Dec 24, 2013
Stabby
I have some of the DeWalt 20V tools. You can get a burst of power out of those batteries, but they do not hold much capacity. At work I am constantly recharging them. Would not plan on using these to build sport routes, but a ground-up, occasional bolt route would be OK.
I have already replaced 2 of the batteries in just about a year too, so consider that. Next round of dead batteries and I'm moving on to Milwaukee.

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By climber pat
From Las Cruces, NM
Dec 24, 2013
I have an older DeWalt 18V drill which came with 2 nicad batteries. It works fine but nowhere near as good as my friend's 36V Bosch drill.

I had a battery pack die on me and bought one of these batteryship.com/htmlos/htmlos.... which I am very happy with.

I got 7 3/8 - 3 inch holes yesterday with the nicad battery pack in hard granite. I expect that I should get 11 or 12 holes with the LiIon pack which is also lighter.

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Dec 24, 2013
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I actually got the 18V NiCad. Just realized that. Dunno, I bolted with it all fall for 4 or 5 hours at a time and never had to switch a pack. That was using 12mm and 3/8" bits. It only takes about 10 seconds to drill a hole that's say 5" deep. Takes longer to clean it out. 60 seconds = 6 holes, say the thing will run for 20 min on a single pack, I doubt you'll be drilling more than 30 or 40 holes in a day??? It works fine for me and my buddies that set lines. Amazon has a 1 yr return, send it back if it doesn't do the job and save the $250. I can't say enough good about this drill. :-)

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By Rockbanned
From Plattsburgh, Ny
Dec 24, 2013
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climber pat wrote:
I have an older DeWalt 18V drill which came with 2 nicad batteries. It works fine but nowhere near as good as my friend's 36V Bosch drill. I had a battery pack die on me and bought one of these batteryship.com/htmlos/htmlos.... which I am very happy with. I got 7 3/8 - 3 inch holes yesterday with the nicad battery pack in hard granite. I expect that I should get 11 or 12 holes with the LiIon pack which is also lighter.


yes, the 36Volt drills are far better. Why not stop messing around and just get a Hilti 36Volt. Potato/Po-tot-oh... For 1/2" and smaller holes, the smaller drills work ok, as long as their SDS...

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By dave jr
From cottonwood az
Dec 24, 2013
i have the 18v dewalt DC212B sds and it drills basalt just as good as a friends 36v bosch does, the only thing is the battery life but for a $40 swap meet find ill stick with my dewalt, plus the batteries work with my 8 other dewalt tools.

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By MJMobes
From The land of steady habits
Dec 24, 2013
modern man
Rockbanned wrote:
It works fine for me and my buddies that set lines.


you use a rotary hammer to set lines?

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By climber pat
From Las Cruces, NM
Dec 24, 2013
Rockbanned wrote:
yes, the 36Volt drills are far better. Why not stop messing around and just get a Hilti 36Volt. Potato/Po-tot-oh... For 1/2" and smaller holes, the smaller drills work ok, as long as their SDS...



Price is the reason I bought the DeWalt. It works fine for my occasional need to put in a few bolts. I have other desires competing for my money.

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By Tim Powers
From Indiana
Dec 24, 2013
The FA of Return of Manimal.
They work fine in sandstone, put up around 100 sport routes in RRG with a Dewalt rotary hammer.

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By Adam Floyd
From Las Vegas
Dec 24, 2013
Vegas the Dog
I notice the Amazon drill is labeled 18 Volt, whereas the toolnut.com drill is a 20 Volt.
I heard a great review by a prolific bolter who has switched to the Dewalt and says it keeps up with everything else.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Dec 26, 2013
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I seriously doubt that an 18v Dewalt Hammer Drill is going to perform nearly the same as a Bosch 36v Hammer Drill.

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By climber pat
From Las Cruces, NM
Dec 26, 2013
Adam Floyd wrote:
I notice the Amazon drill is labeled 18 Volt, whereas the toolnut.com drill is a 20 Volt. I heard a great review by a prolific bolter who has switched to the Dewalt and says it keeps up with everything else.


DeWalt makes 18V, 20V and 36V hammer drills.

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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Dec 27, 2013
Locker wrote:
I seriously doubt that an 18v Dewalt Hammer Drill is going to perform nearly the same as a Bosch 36v Hammer Drill.


To doubt is a good thing! DeWalt makes 3 different 18V drills and Bosch makes two different 36 volt drills. A DeWalt DC212KA has more power and higher impact force than a Bosch GBH36V-Li Compact but lower beat frequency so generally the DeWalt will be faster in the right rock.

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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Dec 27, 2013
Adam Floyd wrote:
I notice the Amazon drill is labeled 18 Volt, whereas the toolnut.com drill is a 20 Volt. I heard a great review by a prolific bolter who has switched to the Dewalt and says it keeps up with everything else.


That confuses us as well, in Europe there are no 20V drills only 18, 24 & 36V and the one you show is listed as 18V here.

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Dec 27, 2013
Stabby
The 20V battery is about the same size of a wallet. Again, good power for short bursts, but not much capacity.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Dec 27, 2013
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"To doubt is a good thing! DeWalt makes 3 different 18V drills and Bosch makes two different 36 volt drills."

Those bastards!


"You learn something new every day".



and I'll stick with my Bosch thank you very much!

LOL!

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