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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Jan 30, 2009
Me, of course

My Great Grand Mother said "you're not allowed to hate anyone or anything but Hitler and Mussolini." Peace and love brother, peace and love.


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By Hank Caylor
Administrator
From Golden, CO
Jan 30, 2009
Yoda

Harold Lampasso wrote:
I think all the bad drivers are from Texas! LOL!


Awww bite me! LOL!

I thought the Californians took the heat off of us years ago.......


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By Nick Grue
From Northglenn, CO
Jan 30, 2009
Another J-Tree route

The only time I have to deal with traffic is during morning rush hour when I'm heading into the mountains to climb. Then I hit evening rush hour when I'm heading home from the mountains.
I guess that's my punishment for climbing when everyone else is at work.


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By Rick Blair
From Denver
Jan 30, 2009
This is a novel auto blocking belay device.  I think it works quite well, depending on rope thickness and sheath quality, it belays very smooth.  Great to lower with.  You gotta love over engineering.  $3 at a gear swap!

Our standard to obtain a driver's license is way too week. In Sweden they have a difficult driving and written exam including controlling a car in a skid ( they use oiled track in the summer and ice in the winter). Imagine that, you have to know how to handle a vehicle before you get a license to drive one. That country has the best drivers I have ever seen. I wonder if we could lower our insurance rates by having a tougher standard?


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By Tom R
From Denver, CO
Jan 30, 2009
self portrait

It's funny how a post about Denver being a place many people want to live quickly devolved into a rant about traffic. Many of my suburban friends have the same complaint.
Here's the secret: If you live and work in central Denver, you only need to drive when you are leaving town. The daily commute involves walking, biking or public transportation.


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By patrick wild
Jan 30, 2009

Hank Caylor wrote:
Awww bite me! LOL! I thought the Californians took the heat off of us years ago.......


Hanky, a little birdy told me you were recently in TX, F-YOU for not looking me up!

Some observations from I-35 between Austin and San Antonio:

1. Speed limit 70mph/65mph night.

However...

2. If you drive less that 85mph in the left lane you will have an F350 crawling up your ass.

3. If you drive less than 85mph in the right lane you will have a semi crawling up your ass.

4. Center lane is 50-55mph; reserved for blue hairs, disabled vets in Cadillacs and people towing wrecks they're taking home from the salvage yard.

5. You will not be pulled over for less than 105mph.

6. The right lane most certainly IS for passing.

7. Traffic immediately slows to less than 15mph for all lanes upon entering Austin.


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By PRRose
From Boulder
Jan 30, 2009

Shawn Mitchell wrote:
Nah. Illegal? Doubt it. Often it happens even after the merge lane line stops, and cars blast by in the wide part before it tapers to one lane. So, doubt it's illegal for me to swing wide there. Counterproductive? Nope. It's counter productive for the rushing mergers to shoot past the gaps and clog up the last 50' in a pile-stop. Jealous they're getting ahead of me? Nope. Irritated because they're passing openings only to go clog things up and slow everyone down.


Let me get this straight: you think its ok to "swing wide" into the path of another car merely because you're irritated. Dangerous, and possibly prosecutable as assault (with a deadly weapon, too) or reckless or careless driving.

BTW, wasn't swinging wide what Larry Craig claimed he was doing? What is it with you Republicans


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By Hank Caylor
Administrator
From Golden, CO
Jan 30, 2009
Yoda

patrick wild wrote:
Hanky, a little birdy told me you were recently in TX, F-YOU for not looking me up!


Dude, I was on my Honeymoon and we just saw family.....and had massive amounts of Margaritas and sex.


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By patrick wild
Jan 30, 2009

Hank Caylor wrote:
Dude, I was on my Honeymoon and we just saw family.....and had massive amounts of Margaritas and sex.


You are forgiven...

You know I would have loved to have jumped in on some of that action.




Christ people, I talking about the Margs...


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By patrick wild
Jan 30, 2009

I'm gonna try and move this discussion back towards the OP's title.

I was born and raised in C. Springs, lived in Boulder about 13 yrs then moved to Austin about 4 yrs ago. While Austin is a cool, 'vibrant' city, with some alright climbing, I'm looking to relocate this summer after I graduate from college.

I'm looking for jobs on the Front Range (anywhere in CO, really) because I know from experience that it's a great place to live and the Denver Metro area is a hub for the industry I hope to enter (Geographic Information Science). For me, CO is where my friends and family reside, it also has the recreational and employment opportunities I desire.

At the same time, I'm open to new places. Does anyone out there have suggestions for cities or regions that are rich in rock and have employment opportunities in my field?

Specific job openings would be greatly appreciated.


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By kevin murphy
From Lafayette, Colorado
Jan 30, 2009
road

Yo Pat,

Glad to hear you might be moving back this way. I heard through the grape vine theres a great job opening, in the GIS field, next to my ass.
Man I crack myself up. But for real, Doug Scott and a matty T. are both in that field. You should talk to them, get my # from Fresh.

Late-a

kevin


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By Phoenix
From louisville, colorado
Jan 30, 2009
hiking 8-5-09 (Don't chase the rabbit!!!)

Goddamn it! New york is a WHOLE STATE! drivers who think they are the shit because they "know how to drive" in congested traffic in The City (haha, The) are usually the first ones either driving ~20mph BELOW the speed limit as soon as a snowflake hits the road, or the first ones to run themselves off the road because they are too aggressive. As I said, a whole state, meaning that only New Yorkers that regularly travel the state North (St. Lawrence river north, not freakin Oswego) to South (Long Island) can drive. It's like climbing, an all around proficiency is generally more useful than being exceptional in one discipline.
Sorry if I was offensive, I am still working on suppressing the angry New Yorker in me. Kinda funny when I can remember always being the mellow one of the bunch back East.


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By patrick wild
Jan 30, 2009

kevin murphy wrote:
Yo Pat, Glad to hear you might be moving back this way. I heard through the grape vine theres a great job opening, in the GIS field, next to my ass. Man I crack myself up. But for real, Doug Scott and a matty T. are both in that field. You should talk to them, get my # from Fresh. Late-a kevin



Murph Dog,

I heard through the grape vine your ass crack is rich in unmapped chossy rock!

AH-WOOOOOOOO


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By Edward Gerety
From Miami, FL
Feb 2, 2009

Shawn Mitchell wrote:
I nearly flagged the hate speech. But if it's provoked by me doing something Colorado-ish, well, that makes me feel better about my shady California past.


No need to feel bad about it. Despite their rep, I think LA drivers are among the better in the country.


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By jmeizis
From Colorado Springs, CO
Feb 2, 2009
The Beginning of Mr. Clean (5.8) at the Barkeater Cliffs in Adirondack Park NY.

Having been somewhat of a transient and having lived in cities with reputations for bad drivers (Boston, Chicago, Kansas City, and so on) I've gotta say that having been in CO for almost a year that it does indeed have a higher proportion of incompetent drivers. I don't know why this is but they don't know how to accelerate, merge, pass, or stay out of the left lane if they aren't passing. Anytime anything is happening on the side of the road everyone slows down 20 mph. I actually live in the Springs and only have to drive through Denver every once and a while but it sucks. That person weaving through traffic 20 mph faster than everybody else, that's me. Sorry I can't just sit there while the seemingly higher than usual SUV/Truck population blindly changes across four lanes of traffic while going under the speed limit. If I have to be aggressive to avoid being killed then so be it. Seriously, If thousands of Bostonians can drive to NYC doing 90 while six inches from the next cars bumper without causing major accidents then I'd say they're a lot better drivers than people who have to brake at every turn and lane change.

On another note, what's with all the trash on the sides of the road. I just had to replace my oil filter when a big piece of metal on the raod flew out from underneath someone elses car (they ran over it first and it looked like it would go to the side).


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By Mike McKinnon
From Golden, CO
Feb 2, 2009
Bunny pancake

Derek Lawrence wrote:
Thread Hijack.... Situating your car into 2 lanes is obstructing traffic and is the main reason why during the hwy 285 widening CDOT had signs saying "Use both lanes until merge point". Folks that blocked the lane were cited for obstructing traffic... If you've got some time and want to read hundreds of posts on the subject go to www.pinecam.com and search their forums.... BTW, i agree with the zipper method - just do it at the merge point - not 1 mile before....


My point exactly. People merging 10 miles b4 the merge point and then blocking others from following the direction of traffic are the problem


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By Ben F
From Benfield, Kolorado
Feb 2, 2009

Zipper before the merge point, thanks. I don't mean 3 miles before it - just not at it. Think about it for a second. It keeps the flow going. I'm mainly bitching about the people who zip past everyone else to get to the front of the line at the merge point.

It figures that PR wants to argue with me. PR, are you one of those people saying "f-em" and trying to cut ahead right at the merge point in construction? You'd be fueling that lawyer stereotype if you were and I hope I get to block you.

I said Colorado drivers, which means the general driving population out here. That may or may not pertain to natives (however, it often does).

Finally, ain't it cool that I caused thread hijack? It is a worth topic.


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By PRRose
From Boulder
Feb 2, 2009

Ben F wrote:
I'm mainly bitching about the people who zip past everyone else to get to the front of the line at the merge point. It figures that PR wants to argue with me. PR, are you one of those people saying "f-em" and trying to cut ahead right at the merge point in construction? .


I'm arguing with you because you're wrong.

Traffic engineers say that the most efficient way to merge in heavy traffic is at the merge point. The Minnesota DOT, for example, is trying to develop sign systems so that drivers will merge at the merge point:

www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/research/data/DynLateMerge.pd>>>

Other highway departments, including Ohio and Pennsylvania, do something similar.

Edit to add: Tom Vanderbilt's recently-published book "Traffic" discusses the various studies. The figure that stuck with me is that there is a roughly 15% improvement in throughput in heavy traffic if late merging is adopted. As Derek Lawrence points out, Colorado DOT also urges drivers to merge at the merge point and drivers are ticketed for lane straddling.

Not that I expect that you will allow facts to get in the way of your prejudices, Ben.


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By Ben F
From Benfield, Kolorado
Feb 3, 2009

Hey PR, we're all just speaking from experience. I guess what we've witnessed isn't fact, eh? Of course, I'm putting this in the context of the bad apples who drive like pricks. Merging at or near the merge point would be fine (and sometimes is) when both lanes are travelling at about the same speed. However, when @ssholes in the lane which is being squeezed-out whiz-by everyone else and try to cut-in at the merge point at the last minute(usually they fly up to the bottleneck, stop and then try to get into the continuing lane), they disrupt the flow of traffic. I'd like to articulate this better, but I think most folks get what I'm trying to say based on their experiences.

BTW, traffic "engineers" have about as much credibility as lawyers (damn, I'm getting as vitriolic as PR - how's that for prejudice?). One only needs to drive around Denver West on Colfax to see the evidence.


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By PRRose
From Boulder
Feb 3, 2009

Ben F wrote:
BTW, traffic "engineers" have about as much credibility as lawyers (damn, I'm getting as vitriolic as PR - how's that for prejudice?).


Yup, no one, no matter their training or expertise, is a match for your smarts, Ben F.

You're quite a piece of work.


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By Brendan Leonard
From Denver, Hollarado
Feb 3, 2009
warning:

I like living in Denver, too.


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By Dan S.
From Lakewood, CO
Feb 3, 2009
I was reminded by a fallen dead tree that most climbing accidents occur on the descent.

Damn, I hate these surveys. Now, even more people will be moving here. Oh well. I'm still not leaving.

Can we stop talking about the traffic and change the topic to urban sprawl or how transplants (yes, including me) affect Front Range climbing?


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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Feb 3, 2009
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.

Ben F wrote:
we're all just speaking from experience. I guess what we've witnessed isn't fact, eh? Of course, I'm putting this in the context of the bad apples who drive like pricks. Merging at or near the merge point would be fine (and sometimes is) when both lanes are travelling at about the same speed. However, when @ssholes in the lane which is being squeezed-out whiz-by everyone else and try to cut-in at the merge point at the last minute(usually they fly up to the bottleneck, stop and then try to get into the continuing lane), they disrupt the flow of traffic. I'd like to articulate this better, but I think most folks get what I'm trying to say based on their experiences.


Agreed


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By Ben F
From Benfield, Kolorado
Feb 3, 2009

PRRose wrote:
Yup, no one, no matter their training or expertise, is a match for your smarts, Ben F. You're quite a piece of work.


Right. It's not easy being me. :) One of my former house mates was a traffic engineer. Between him and witnessing poor light synchronization and timing, I'm just not that impressed. As a matter of fact, we could move from lawyer bashing (though it's difficult with you here) to engineer bashing.

Back to the point, you're not helping on two fronts. The first being to raise clueless driver awareness and the second being to keep people from cali and tx out of the state.


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By slim
Administrator
Feb 4, 2009
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

but, alas, the sheep sure would!


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