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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 31, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
The reason people give you such a hard time is that it comes off as spray. I would quote but I don't think I need to. However, as you go on, it gets a little worse.
David Bolanos wrote:
I'm posting about it to encourage others to try it.

This is the exact opposite attitude you should have because of this:


what tends to happen (in addition to the tragedy) is that climbers (or in this case rope swingers) in general get a bunch of negative press that effects everyone poorly. Limited access issues sometimes arise and in some cases guiding business suffer and public recreation opportunities suffer.

With guiding access to Corona Arch already revoked (to my latest knowledge), it seems to me only a matter of time until the next tragic accident and the bolted anchors are pulled.


The fact that you were pretty much oblivious to this and that these things can and do happen shows that although you have been out a "bit more" than a "handful of times", you're still relatively inexperienced- which is fine. Having said this though, I don't believe in this collective "coddle the new guy and educate him/her" sentiment that seems to be growing more prevalent.

It's not the office manager's job to teach someone how to use Excel spreadsheets. It's not the sergeant's job to cup a private's balls and show him how to clear a malfunction in his rifle. These things should already be known. Just like if you are a climber, and you live in the area where a tragedy has happened from a certain feature (probably because of relative inexperience- OOOohhh the irony), you should have a measure of humility about it and not show your ass and spray about it like it's some magnanimous accolade you just added to your resume. This is day 1 stuff, and quite honestly, it should be common sense.

This is why people are giving you such a hard time- in case you were wondering- which you probably weren't. You don't know what you don't know.

I do agree with Kevin in that it's good that you're stoked. You just need to see the bigger picture and realize that what you're doing, and perhaps even everything that you're likely to do in your climbing life has been done before, and on a much harder and more grandiose scale. People are going to be snarky on the Internet- it doesn't make their message any less valid. Unless you are both new to climbing and the Internet, this is something you should already know as well.

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By chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Jul 31, 2013
Speaking of irony, the video of this arch swing gets a million hits on YouTube, then 2 people die, but Nooblet gets $hit for spraying here.

Lesson: don't post videos + no spray= less chance of death and/or closures.

In short, go do your thing with your homies and keep it off the interwebz. Not everything has to be goproed and posted to make it real.

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By ScoRo
From Portland, OR
Jul 31, 2013
Ahhhh, remember the hair and pay tribute to it.
Kevin knows what's up.

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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Jul 31, 2013
The forums here are mostly filled with assholes just sitting at their desks, waiting for something to attack with their infinite and infallible climbing wisdom. It's pretty sad when someone stoked on having a good time out there posts to this climbing community site only to get slayed by such people.

Way to welcome someone new MP. What a bunch of elitist bullshit -- The exception being Kevin's post.

Glad you had a good time David. I too dig rope jumping. Perhaps I'm allowed to though as I have been on MP for some arbitrary length of time...

Have fun out there.

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By ben jammin
From Moab, UT
Jul 31, 2013
Aesthetics
You all "your a bunch of assholes" talkers are missing the point. Those bolts are going to be taken down (for swinging and rappelling). It's just a matter of time.

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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Jul 31, 2013
JLP wrote:
MP.com has become especially effective at driving off experienced posters over the past few years.


Agreed. I'm one of them.

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By AOSR
From Wherever we park!
Jul 31, 2013
JLP wrote:
OMG - sorry, no, you are not.


Ahhh yes, the Internet has spoken. Thanks for clearing that up.

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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Jul 31, 2013
JLP wrote:
MP.com has become especially effective at driving off experienced posters over the past few years.


The whole tone and feel of this place has changed drastically since its climbingboulder days. We used to have quite a lot of old timers and such offering some solid advice. I think the final death knell was Bob D packing up and going home.

From a mediocre but somewhat prolific climber's perspective, I miss reading what used to be the norm around here.

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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Jul 31, 2013
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA...
Merlin wrote:
The whole tone and feel of this place has changed drastically since its climbingboulder days. We used to have quite a lot of old timers and such offering some solid advice. I think the final death knell was Bob D packing up and going home. From a mediocre but somewhat prolific climber's perspective, I miss reading what used to be the norm around here.


Bob D and Ken Cangi bitching at each other all day long about nothing?? Fuck that....

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By Erik W
From Bay Area, CA
Jul 31, 2013
North face of Ama Dablam - taken on approach to Ko...
Merlin wrote:
The whole tone and feel of this place has changed drastically since its climbingboulder days.


+1

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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Jul 31, 2013
Glenn Schuler wrote:
Bob D and Ken Cangi bitching at each other all day long about nothing?? Fuck that....


Come on :)

That was funny if you never participated. Didn't someone hack KCs website and post male porn on it as a result? Sure, there was silliness but at least it was a good time waster for boring work days.

I'll take solid climbers flaming each other openly over anonymous posters spewing bile at each other.

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