coolest harness/pants?

so these pants/harness seem pretty cool other then the price. But how would you belay with this "harness"? I have always been told that carabiners can't be loaded in three directions, so you always put you belay device on the belay loop and not through the two tie in loops. But these pants don't seem to have a belay loop, so you would need to use the two tie in points? would you have to use a sling to connect the two tie in points to give you a single point for your belay device?

Also if these were a reasonable price would you consider wearing them? How about wearing them around town? They also make a shorts version that i can't find on there webpage but have on steep and cheap right now.

Cool. Fun idea too. But kinda overkill don't you think? Most products try to add flexibly, not remove it.

Also, I can't imagine them being that cozy for nights at the bar.

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These would make it that much easier to photoshop and make it look like you are free soloing. But they only come in blue. Thats a no go.

Edelrid's Loopo harness is very similar to Mammut Realization pants/shorts. I am quite sure it is quite safe.
IIRC, during a discussion some time ago here on MP.com someone brought up a very good point - most people wash their pants more often than their harnesses.

jacob m s wrote:so these pants/harness seem pretty cool other then the price. But how would you belay with this "harness"? I have always been told that carabiners can't be loaded in three directions, so you always put you belay device on the belay loop and not through the two tie in loops. But these pants don't seem to have a belay loop, so you would need to use the two tie in points? would you have to use a sling to connect the two tie in points to give you a single point for your belay device?

The tie-in loops on those pants are horizontal and seem closer together than the tie-in loops on most harnesses, so there may not be much triaxial loading... Looks similar for the Edelrid harness.

But, you could also tie in with the rope and then belay off the loop of rope you just created. This is done with lightweight alpine harnesses with no belay loop, like BD's alpine bod.

That is probably the second most lame thing I have ever seen....next to the Puffy T-shirt.

Tim Lutz wrote:wear them for a day at Vedauwoo and get back to us

Will do...I have had many difficulties trying to squeeze belay loops and leg loops through 5.11 and harder wide cracks. I'm sure weighing close to 2 bills as I do doesn't help much either, so I'd do most anything including overpay on "closeout" and (gasp) even lose some lbs to make wide easier...

Speaking of, What is "regulation size" for climbers these days? 150lbs? It used to be a bit higher imo....

Jaren Watson wrote:I have a pair of Realization shorts and absolutely love them for sport climbing. Most comfortable harness I've ever worn. The horizontal orientation of the belay loops limit the amount of gear you can clip in, so I don't use it for multipitch, and because the shorts have only two gear loops, I don't use it for trad climbing. For single-pitch sport, however, they're fantastic. Oh, as for belaying, yes, you use the two tie-in loops.

I'm glad to hear someone is a fan. I spent decent coin for a pair on "closeout" to add to my (generally fail) "bag of tricks"...

Not sure I get the point of these but if you like 'em, wear 'em...

Jaren, how are they when you have a large pack on with the waist belt on? Normally harnesses and waist belts don't get along to well.

taipan jam wrote: Speaking of, What is "regulation size" for climbers these days? 150lbs? It used to be a bit higher imo....

This made me curious so I googled a few pro climbers:

Adam Ondra weighs in at 5'11" 128lb.
Jimmy Webb at 6' 180lb
Chris Sharma 6' 165lb
Sasha Digiulian 5'2" 97lb

What's the point? I still don't get it until this day. Since one will have to wash the pants more often than a separate harness more often, wouldn't that potentially create an issue with the built-in harness?

Last time I was at the Gear Exhange in Bishop they had a few of these on super sale.

Do we start the Locker fund now or should we wait?