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By agd
Jul 2, 2012
alaska

Has anyone heard of or used these things before?

www.climbtechgear.com/1-2-removable-climbing-anchor-2400lbs->>>


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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Jul 2, 2012

They have been around for years, they used to make 3/8" ones which I had for groung-up drilling until they fell apart. They are a pain to remove, even worse if you fall on them.


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By agd
Jul 2, 2012
alaska

Can you whip on them or are they meant for body weight only?


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By Bretterick Briggs
From Salt Lake City, UT
Jul 2, 2012
Drinking breakfast before climbing the elephant perch

From what I understand, they have been redesigned recently to make them easier to remove. There was a thread about them a while ago.

www.mountainproject.com/v/removable-bolt-trial-by-fire-by-ma>>>

  • Edit, link wasn't working


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By Allen Corneau
From Houston, TX
Jul 2, 2012

alexdavis wrote:
Can you whip on them or are they meant for body weight only?



"ClimbTech Co-Founder Falls 50ft Using ClimbTech Removable Bolt"


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Jul 2, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Now there's a guy that stands behind his product. Not to mention falling way above it. Good for him. That's pretty awesome.


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By Kenny Thompson
From woodfords, california
Jul 2, 2012
gorge

So, That must be fun climbing around looking for the holes to plug those things into


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By Buff Johnson
Jul 2, 2012
smiley face

What can I say? It's the storyline of my life


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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Jul 3, 2012

Looks like the patent was granted in 1996, I got mine maybe 10 yrs ago.
The removing sleeve has been improved, thatīs the bit you have to hit with a hammer and a pin to get them free and was a weak point on he older models.
The big problem was using them for aiding when bolting ground-up as the repeated bending screws up the thin wires on the spoons, in the end the centre cable breaks as well.
A good product even though, I tried to get them to make a batch of the 3/8" model again but no interest from their side.

They never caught on for free climbing because climbers would have to invest about $500+ for routes which donīt really exist (a couple of desert towers were drilled for these). Then there is the question of stuck ones and hole wear which made their long-term future dubious. And they are a bit weak in terms of replacing bolts and you need to go up to the 1" ones for a true like-for-like equivalent at $250 bucks a go though Iīd be happy enough with the 3/4" ones myself, still going to be a pricey rack!


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By mattm
From TX
Jul 11, 2012
Grande Grotto

Jim Titt wrote:
Looks like the patent was granted in 1996, I got mine maybe 10 yrs ago. The removing sleeve has been improved, thatīs the bit you have to hit with a hammer and a pin to get them free and was a weak point on he older models. The big problem was using them for aiding when bolting ground-up as the repeated bending screws up the thin wires on the spoons, in the end the centre cable breaks as well. A good product even though, I tried to get them to make a batch of the 3/8" model again but no interest from their side. They never caught on for free climbing because climbers would have to invest about $500+ for routes which donīt really exist (a couple of desert towers were drilled for these). Then there is the question of stuck ones and hole wear which made their long-term future dubious. And they are a bit weak in terms of replacing bolts and you need to go up to the 1" ones for a true like-for-like equivalent at $250 bucks a go though Iīd be happy enough with the 3/4" ones myself, still going to be a pricey rack!


The Totem Cam guys look like they're working on 10mm RB for future release Jim so you may be in luck!


Totem 10mm RB


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By Ed Wright
Jul 11, 2012
Magic Ed

I still have a couple of the old-style 3/8th's which I use when bolting on lead when I can't get a good hook placement. I've never fallen on one but they certainly hold body weight. Here's a couple being used as an anchor. I trusted them to rap off and jumar back up the next day.


rb's in action
rb's in action


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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Jul 11, 2012

mattm wrote:
The Totem Cam guys look like they're working on 10mm RB for future release Jim so you may be in luck! Totem 10mm RB


Good news!


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By c. christopher spikes
Jul 12, 2012

Ed, why don't you have those two rb's side by side and equalized??


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By Allen Corneau
From Houston, TX
Jul 13, 2012

c. christopher spikes wrote:
Ed, why don't you have those two rb's side by side and equalized??



I'm not Ed, but it's a vertically-oriented anchor just like this one from Fixe (and Ed's looks fairly equalized to me):


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Jul 13, 2012
Stabby

Mr. Spikes: the vertical orientation is far superior to side by side in terms of loading, and he has them equalized too. How long have you been at this?


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By Ed Wright
Jul 13, 2012
Magic Ed

I was still moving up and had intended to place a real bolt a little higher but I ran outa juice for the drill. Like others have replied, those are fairly well equalized. By the way, this was almost 500 feet off the deck, so again, I trust these rb's.


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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Jul 14, 2012

mattm wrote:
The Totem Cam guys look like they're working on 10mm RB for future release Jim so you may be in luck! Totem 10mm RB


I met up with Mikel the Totem guy at the Outdoor show and got one to try. They are going to be 10mm so you guys might be out of luck though for us itīs better, on the old 3/8" model in a 10mm hole the outer spoons moved too far up the cone and made them a bit of a pain to remove. It just fits into a 3/8 hole in a piece of metal but going to be interesting in the typically not-round hole you get drilling rock.


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By mattm
From TX
Jul 14, 2012
Grande Grotto

Jim Titt wrote:
I met up with Mikel the Totem guy at the Outdoor show and got one to try. They are going to be 10mm so you guys might be out of luck though for us itīs better, on the old 3/8" model in a 10mm hole the outer spoons moved too far up the cone and made them a bit of a pain to remove. It just fits into a 3/8 hole in a piece of metal but going to be interesting in the typically not-round hole you get drilling rock.


I wonder if that 0.5mm difference could be made up for with a bit of wiggling of the 3/8in bit while drilling?


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By Jim Titt
From Germany
Jul 15, 2012

mattm wrote:
I wonder if that 0.5mm difference could be made up for with a bit of wiggling of the 3/8in bit while drilling?


That would work but possibly it makes using the hole later for a 3/8" bolt a bit questionable, this someone will have to test I guess but not me as imperial drills and bolts are even harder to buy in Europe than metric ones in the USA.
I tried in a metal block with a 3/8" hole (Iīve still some metal-working drills from way back) and it just goes in but the little removing sleeve is really tight which might give problems.


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By Chris Vinson
Jul 16, 2012

The 3/8" were made for a long time and eventually we stopped for a couple reasons.

First, they don't have an application for industrial fall protection or rope access. The 1/2" are used for positioning.

Second, they're small, the 1/2"ers are small as is and with the spoons and the wires and the cone...its hard to fit all that in 3/8" with so much going on.

We do get some requests for them so this is great to have Totem spending time on these. Totem makes great cams and I bet they'll come out with a great RB in Europe.

Jim, cleaning the RBs from the hole is simple with the new cleaning bushing. Here is a demo video of our 3/4"RBs (pay no attention to the concrete specs and all that) :



I just use a smaller bit or an awl, really very easy to get back out.

My name is Chris, i work at Climbtech, full disclosure! Holler if you have questions at all about the RB or anything else we make.


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By coldatom
From Cambridge, MA
Nov 27, 2012
Jurassic Park

Mike Lane wrote:
Mr. Spikes: the vertical orientation is far superior to side by side in terms of loading, and he has them equalized too. How long have you been at this?


Neither pic (RBs or chained anchor) has ANY equalization.
If you do not have some degree of freedom to equalize, like when using a magic X, you can not get equalization.
But that's fine. The extension and the swing, if the loaded bolt blew, is minimal. That is the point of using the vertical arrangement.


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By Alex Bury
From Ojai, CA
Jul 9, 2014
'Full Contact'

agd wrote:
Can you whip on them or are they meant for body weight only?


How is it that nobody is actually addressing this issue? As I see it, it is ClimbTech's responsibility to clearly respond NO. Especially since a person representing the company has commented within this thread.

Yes, I watched the video of the dude taking the fifty footer....onto a 3/4" RB. But why would anyone actually use a 3/4" Rb for fall protection? Only specialty applications, since the vast majority of climbers will be interesting in using an RB no larger than 1/2", thus allowing the same hole to be used later with a standard size bolt.

So if you are drilling holes no bigger than 1/2" (almost everyone....) then these are NOT for fall protection. The 1/2" RB's are only rated to about 500 lbs!
To put out videos of people taking epic falls on an RB, while not offering an RB in a size that makes that application useful is misleading and irresponsible.
Furthermore, nowhere on ClimbTech's page for the 1/2"ers does it say whether or not it is for fall protection. But it DOES have the "fifty foot fall" video right there on the page.....WTF???


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By Ryan Nevius
From The Range of Light
Jul 9, 2014
Mt. Agassiz

Two years later ;-)


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By Alex Bury
From Ojai, CA
Jul 9, 2014
'Full Contact'

Better late than never!


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By Zappatista
Jul 9, 2014
Book me, officer.

Sigh. Rage is so 1995.

I acquired a 3/4 inch model through work, not made by CT. If you think one of these wouldn't hold a fall but place RPs, you are silly. If you think the 1/2 inch model is terror-inducing, it's surprising that you are climbing on gear at all, putting up new routes, or commenting on a page about such.

I think if you shell out some disposable income on these, you'll find them very effective for what they're designed for. And if not, there's always being upset about things you can't change, that's coming back into style this season I hear. Now I'm kind of curious about the Totem model. Someone grab the heart paddles, let's beat this dead horse!


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
Jul 10, 2014
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

Alex Bury wrote:
The 1/2" RB's are only rated to about 500 lbs! WTF???

Not true. They are Rated to 2700 lbs. As strong as a cam.


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