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By i smell a rat
Jul 26, 2012
In this corner weighing in at 800lbs the undisputed heavyweight champion of the grade 1 climbing areas Undefeated in all previous fights with a record of Infinity to Zero all by knockout: Joshua Tree

And in this corner weighing at a puny 800 grams the poser challenger from the state better known for robber barons and banksters is The Gunks.

Announcers: Howard Cosell "I think the gunks is in for a vicious beating...this is the first time the gunks has fought an opponent of Joshua Tree's caliber, Joshua Tree has no weaknesses it has better everything than the gunks. the only hope the gunks has is if Joshua Tree stayed up all night partying and woke up drunk frankly even then the gunks is in serious trouble.

The bell rings to start the first round. Howard Cosell "Down goes the gunks, Down goes the gunks, down goes the gunks. first punch knockout.

Howard interviewing the gunks after the fight: "what happened Gunks? gunks replies "I dont know what hit me, I wasnt prepared for the power of Joshua Tree I mean I didnt know what to prepare for Hard Cracks its better, bouldering its better, easy cracks its better, partying its better, night adventures its better, camping its better I mean what can I do, I had no chance.

Howard interviewing Joshua Tree after the fight: "what do you have to say Joshua Tree "next" "I'll go anywhere and matchup with anyplace and I will knock them out!"

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By kilonot
Jul 26, 2012
JTree seems to be a little short on multi compared to the Gunks.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Jul 26, 2012
Colonel Mustard
ZachR wrote:
JTree seems to be a little short on multi compared to the Gunks.


Yeah, way less of the big wall at JTree.

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By Unassigned User
Jul 26, 2012
ZachR wrote:
JTree seems to be a little short on multi compared to the Gunks.


There is enough there to keep you busy for a good week, maybe more. Horsehead, wild horse, Horse something I can not think of what it is called, has a lot of multipitch stuff. Couple other places where it is high density. And the views are faboulos!!!! Amuzing!!! Wanderful!! Go to the The Tree. Free solo some short cracks, fall in love, come back every Oct. for two years, give up and move to southern CA so you can go once a week.

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By Eric Coffman
Jul 26, 2012
mountainlion
Sorry to throw you under the bus Colonel Mustard & ZachR what you meant to say is "the gunks has more 2-3 pitch climbs close to each other". I bet if we go route for route there is actually more multipitch in Jtree in fact I'd be willing to bet on it. All we need to do is find out the total # of multipitch routes as well as the # of stars for the routes and then square off. 2 and 3 pitch climbs Jtree has plenty but they are spread out. Who wants to begin compiling the list?

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By Brian
From North Kingstown, RI
Jul 26, 2012
Eric Coffman wrote:
Sorry to throw you under the bus Colonel Mustard & ZachR what you meant to say is "the gunks has more 2-3 pitch climbs close to each other". I bet if we go route for route there is actually more multipitch in Jtree in fact I'd be willing to bet on it. All we need to do is find out the total # of multipitch routes as well as the # of stars for the routes and then square off. 2 and 3 pitch climbs Jtree has plenty but they are spread out. Who wants to begin compiling the list?


According to a MP search of 5.3 to 5.13 routes of at least 2 pitches the Gunks has 197 and JTree 144. I know that MP is hardly an authoritative source because I know the Gunks has a lot more than that. I'd be willing to take that bet.

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By Eric8
From Framingham
Jul 26, 2012
I think the phrasing was key...2-3 multipitch climbs that are close together. I have been to both and both have so many multipitch climbs that the total number is irrelevant. However, you can't tell me that the climbs at Jtree are as close together as the climbs at the gunks. It is a lot easier to get more pitches in one day at the gunks. Also easier if you have a group of varied levels that want to climb near one another.

I think where you go should depend on the experience you want since both places are world class destinations. If you want to camp out and cook your own food and have a more true camping experience go to jtree. If you want to eat out, and go to bars, go to the gunks.

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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Jul 27, 2012
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogstick Ridge link-up.  Photo by Myriam Bouchard
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i smell a rat wrote:
The fact that you are all such easy suckers (otherwise known as low hanging fruit) makes trolling such a simple game to pass the time. Bored and want a little fun? Put a post out there about how my dad can kick your dad's ass and watch the fun begin. Yep I felt the satisfaction build as a giant smile spread across my face from all the havoc that ensued. I mean some dude got on the internet and posted photos of the gunks that weren't even his. You guessed it I've actually been to both places and it is only my 2 cents but Jtree hands down mostly for the reasons Eric listed. For one the dude is funny as hell in person (not so much through your posts though Eric). Since he is gone we wont have him to lead countless trips(hundreds last time I saw him) through the chasm without the headlamp the campground will miss that.

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By Eric Coffman
Jul 27, 2012
mountainlion
Gotta Admit those pics Kick Ass!!!

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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Jul 27, 2012
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogstick Ridge link-up.  Photo by Myriam Bouchard
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i smell a rat wrote:
The fact that you are all such easy suckers (otherwise known as low hanging fruit) makes trolling such a simple game to pass the time. Bored and want a little fun? Put a post out there about how my dad can kick your dad's ass and watch the fun begin. Yep I felt the satisfaction build as a giant smile spread across my face from all the havoc that ensued. I mean some dude got on the internet and posted photos of the gunks that weren't even his. You guessed it I've actually been to both places and it is only my 2 cents but Jtree hands down mostly for the reasons Eric listed. For one the dude is funny as hell in person (not so much through your posts though Eric). Since he is gone we wont have him to lead countless trips(hundreds last time I saw him) through the chasm without the headlamp the campground will miss that.

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By Eric Coffman
Jul 27, 2012
mountainlion
when were you last at JT that pic is very recent. Also I think I recognize both of the guys in the non action pic that looks like father/son possibly to me. We always say that the climbers have less impact than the guys who put in the road...had to put breaks in the curb every so often so the desert tortoise could escape if it wandered onto the road...road put in somewhere around 2000 if I remember correct. So here is a pick for your viewing pleasure I would gladly perform this for losing a bet at the gunks on your bike path
Eric Coffman paying up for a lost bet in full
Eric Coffman paying up for a lost bet in full

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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Jul 27, 2012
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogstick Ridge link-up.  Photo by Myriam Bouchard
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i smell a rat wrote:
The fact that you are all such easy suckers (otherwise known as low hanging fruit) makes trolling such a simple game to pass the time. Bored and want a little fun? Put a post out there about how my dad can kick your dad's ass and watch the fun begin. Yep I felt the satisfaction build as a giant smile spread across my face from all the havoc that ensued. I mean some dude got on the internet and posted photos of the gunks that weren't even his. You guessed it I've actually been to both places and it is only my 2 cents but Jtree hands down mostly for the reasons Eric listed. For one the dude is funny as hell in person (not so much through your posts though Eric). Since he is gone we wont have him to lead countless trips(hundreds last time I saw him) through the chasm without the headlamp the campground will miss that.

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By Eric Coffman
Jul 27, 2012
mountainlion
I love it!!!You can come climb in Jtree anytime my friends would save a spot for you in Hidden Valley for sure!

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By thedogfather
From Las Vegas, NV
Jul 27, 2012
Red Rock!!!! October is great weather and you are only 3 hours or so from JT if you want some granite.

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By David Stowe
Jul 28, 2012
I've only been to Jtree once but it was on a 9 day trip. While the landscape is beautiful and other worldly I didn't much care for the rock itself. Of all the climbing trips that I have been on throughout the country and the world the stone in Jtree was my least favorite of any major area that I have been to. Also while the camping scene there is great, I found that the surrounding towns offered very little especially for quality food and restaurants. I see so many people rave about Jtree climbing and clearly it is a matter of personal preference, but there are so many places that I will visit and revisit before even thinking about returning to Jtree. I've been to red rocks numerous times and will definitely be back there before Jtree.

I love the gunks, but my opinion is extremely biased there as it is my home crag. The climbing is fantastic. There is also allot more to it than just the trapps and the nears. There is a plethora of good restaurants and places to get food, many nearby quaint towns, great swimming, plenty of water, fall foliage. Also if there midweek crowds are not an issue and even on weekends there are so many climbs there is never a reason to wait for any climb.

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By T. Stark
From Los Angeles, CA
Jul 28, 2012
Rubicon direct "R" start (well the direct start that's not directly in the plants at least) <br />Photo by Rob Miramontes
Definitely bias towards Josh... :)

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By John Shippling
From morongo valley, ca
Jul 29, 2012
not sure if anyones mentioned the almost 20 bucks a day they screw you out of at the gunks. Weather prob will be a factor Upstate NY in Oct might be a bit chilly. come to CA, bluebird days baby!

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By Brian
From North Kingstown, RI
Jul 29, 2012
i smell a rat wrote:
We are coming from mid Tennessee so the drive is not worth worrying about.


Nashville, TN to Gunks = 941 miles
Nashville, TN to JTree = 1894 miles

Twice as far...I smell a troll.

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By oldfattradguuy
Jul 29, 2012
John Shippling wrote:
not sure if anyones mentioned the almost 20 bucks a day they screw you out of at the gunks. Weather prob will be a factor Upstate NY in Oct might be a bit chilly. come to CA, bluebird days baby!


Yo fool, if the preserve were not charging money they would have to go out of business and then there would be McMansions all over the land, it's private you know. The only place left to legally climb would be peterskill.

Folks should go to the gunks there are already way too many obnoxious east coasters out here.

Hey rgold, nice pics, I am one of the two at the time high school brats whose feet you almost dropped a boulder on because we were imitating the way you walk in the 70's "you'd walk funney too if I dropped this rock on your feet" still makes me laugh 35 years later.

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By rgold
From Poughkeepsie, NY
Jul 29, 2012
The traverse out to the Yellow Ridge on the Dogstick Ridge link-up.  Photo by Myriam Bouchard
Post deleted in the light of this:

i smell a rat wrote:
The fact that you are all such easy suckers (otherwise known as low hanging fruit) makes trolling such a simple game to pass the time. Bored and want a little fun? Put a post out there about how my dad can kick your dad's ass and watch the fun begin. Yep I felt the satisfaction build as a giant smile spread across my face from all the havoc that ensued. I mean some dude got on the internet and posted photos of the gunks that weren't even his. You guessed it I've actually been to both places and it is only my 2 cents but Jtree hands down mostly for the reasons Eric listed. For one the dude is funny as hell in person (not so much through your posts though Eric). Since he is gone we wont have him to lead countless trips(hundreds last time I saw him) through the chasm without the headlamp the campground will miss that.

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By Nick Barczak
Jul 30, 2012
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The truth is, you can't go wrong climbing in either area. You WON'T have a a bad trip in either locale. And if you consider yourself a true self-respecting rock climber, you'll spend time in both areas.

I spent 5 winter seasons climbing in JT. But I love the Gunks with all my heart. It was the place I learned to climb. These days I feel so incredibly lucky to have climbed in the places I have. But I would love to return to the Gunks.


Also, do you have any idea what it like to drive through Oklahoma, northern TX, NM and AZ? Holy shit, its a long monotonous trip.

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By slim
Administrator
Jul 30, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
having climbed a decent amount at both places, i would go with the gunks. jtree is cool, no doubt, but the gunks are straight up world class. the climbing is exceptional, and the scenery in october is something you won't forget.

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By Fat Dad
From Los Angeles, CA
Jul 30, 2012
Nick Barczak wrote:
The truth is, you can't go wrong climbing in either area. You WON'T have a a bad trip in either locale.

Finally. As someone who grew up climbing at Josh over 30 yrs. ago, I absolutely love the place. However, you're really going for the climbing, not all the other rather irrelevant things that Eric mentioned in his initial response. It seems that both places have lots of good routes in abundance. Josh might have an edge in terms of variety, but I think you'll be hard pressed to have a bad time at either place.

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By Unassigned User
Jul 30, 2012
I am curious as to why the OP picked JTree... I mean miles don't seem to matter so why not go to the valley? There are tons of amazing places to climb and I love JTree but I would not go there if I had a choice of anywhere. I would head to the Valley.

I am wondering if we got trolled...

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By slim
Administrator
Jul 30, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
probably the main reason i would choose the gunks over jtree is that the gunks is more unique. there are quite a few areas in the west that are similar (i would actually say better, to be honest with you) than jtree. there aren't too many areas that are like the gunks. the climbing is just soooo damned fun.

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