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By Morgan Patterson
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Apr 22, 2013
Stoked...

boulderbum wrote:
you missed my point entirely you old swordswallower. bouldering is legal everywhere, always, unless youre on private land or some kind of pinko commie puke that believes he needs to sign his name on trail journals before he hikes. cause the sign says to, of course. i dont use ropes or alter the rock so: its nobodys business what i do in the woods. i am usually fully clothed and not hurting anyone else, rangers are usually pretty nice to me. totally indifferent usually, as they should be. maybe if i wore a bright orange helmet and hangdogged 80 ft off the deck for 2 hours above the highway, id be a little more understanding. but i dont, so im not. go climb at the transit cliffs, at least theres some historic value to along with the choss pump. and bolts so you dont have to worry about the gear you just placed, which will pop without question.


While folks like Boulderbum have cursed the efforts made by the "whiteknighting crapy guide book maker" (and whatever motives may or may not have brought them about) the fact remains that the PIPC is now going to be operating and partnering with climbers to open land which was otherwise illegal to climb on previously.

If this effort at this choss pile is successful it will be a great diving board for which to begin the conversations about the not so chossy and amazing areas that do exist under their management. I would admit I think it could have gone very much the opposite direction BUT if it did... at least it was a crapy choss pile right boulderbum? And with it being crap the other aspect is it probably won't become a popular climbing area and thus will be much easier to manage and a more likely positive outcome (as long as folks don't disregard the agreements) and thus more likely that opening other climbing areas can be explored.

So BB as much stink as you are making about it being choss it seems like it was a great place to start with building a relationship with the PIPC. Lets hope this all goes smoothly and that this is just the start of a much bigger and better.


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By Steve Knowlton
Apr 23, 2013
Steve K waiting to top out on Betty at the Trapps

boulderbum wrote:
you missed my point entirely you old swordswallower. bouldering is legal everywhere, always, unless youre on private land or some kind of pinko commie puke that believes he needs to sign his name on trail journals before he hikes. cause the sign says to, of course. i dont use ropes or alter the rock so: its nobodys business what i do in the woods. i am usually fully clothed and not hurting anyone else, rangers are usually pretty nice to me. totally indifferent usually, as they should be. maybe if i wore a bright orange helmet and hangdogged 80 ft off the deck for 2 hours above the highway, id be a little more understanding. but i dont, so im not. go climb at the transit cliffs, at least theres some historic value to along with the choss pump. and bolts so you dont have to worry about the gear you just placed, which will pop without question.


Since you don't use ropes, how do you know about gear placements, or what will "pop" (brah???) or not? Get over it: hard work and cooperation did what you and others said would never happen: PIPC partnered with climbers. And I'll say it again: people like you are what make access issues difficult for responsible climbers.

And "Swordswallower"?? Really? After all the spew you've posted, you disappoint mightily with that. Got nothing left but name calling, eh? Happy trails, BB.


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By gmiani
From Rockland Cty, NY
Apr 26, 2013

Anyone who thinks the Linez is a choss pile obviously lacks experience climbing in other areas around the country (or world). Be thankful for a resource so close to NYC.

And anyone who thinks its only for weaklings lacks imagination. There is a lot of rock there and the guidebook (despite my personal misgivings about it) barely scratches the surface.
-g


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By boulderbum
From NY
Apr 29, 2013

would LOVE to know what amazing 5.8s you have sent around the globe - if you dont think torne is choss, you are :

A) smoking potent marijuana

B) a blind retarded child

C) both


harriman is mostly sharp and brittle - the southwest tip (powerlines) being the worst/most rotten.

better stuff to be found INSIDE the city....let alone outside


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By jon crefeld
Apr 29, 2013

Boulderbum - The guy who said " Climbing will never be legal there, unless you purchase the land yourself. " And, " Talks with the PIPC are beyond pointless ..." I agree with Steve, you've got nothing left but name-calling, Happy Trails, BB.


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By jon crefeld
Apr 29, 2013

And let me add my favorite 5.8s: Irene's Arete (Tetons), Moby Dick (Cochise), Otto's Route, (Col.Ind.Mon.), Frogland (RR), Wallface (ADKs), N. Early Winter Spire (Cascades), Shagadelic Tuolomne, East Buttress Middle Cathedral, P1 - Erect Direction in the Gunks! ... Let's compare notes!

And I will say Rachel's Crack 5.8 - at the Tower Wall at the Powerlinez - for a training crag? Pretty awesome.


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By Steve Knowlton
Jan 13, 2014
Steve K waiting to top out on Betty at the Trapps

EPILOGUE:

Sharp End Award - Torne Valley Climbers Coalition
Access Fund is pleased to recognize the Torne Valley Climbers Coalition (TVCC) for their exemplary grassroots organizing and advocacy which successfully reopened the Powerlinez climbing area in Torne Valley, New York. Powerlinez was closed in 2011 due to concerns about increased climbing use from the area’s multiple landowners. A core team of individuals formed TVCC and began working with the local climbing community and Powerlinez’ three landowners. Each TVCC leader brought important skills to bear on the effort. TVCC’s patient, professional, and cooperative approach reopened Powerlinez in 2012 and serves as a model for successful grassroots climbing advocacy. Congratulations, TVCC!


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By Matthew J. Murphy
Jan 13, 2014
dojo

Great news! Congratulations to you guys. Thanks so much on behalf of many climbers.


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By Michael C
From New Jersey
Jan 14, 2014
Base of Main Flow, The Narrows.

Congratulations to all involved!

Still haven't climbed at the Plinez yet. Anyone looking for a partner, hit me up! Would love to check this place out.


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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Jan 15, 2014
Stoked...

Congrads on the Awards TVCC!!! Great work and leadership!


Morgan
-Access Fund Regional Coordinator for CT


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By Vlad Napuri
From Clifton, New Jersey
30 mins ago

I just read through this entire post thread. Cool story bros. Can't wait to go to the PLinez tomorrow to see how 'chossy', this rock is. I've only heard good things about it from the locals. Next week we'll see how much better the Gunks are..


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