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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Mar 8, 2012

Jon Marek wrote:
So I hadn't wasted my time to look before you posted this but... Based on a quick look at some of my personal favorite


You're right, it's so very interesting what you can find digging around in people's profiles...kinda like this:

"Trad: Leads 5.10b Follows 5.12c"


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By Jon Marek
From SLC
Mar 8, 2012
gossamer

to muttonface: sorry to call you out for basically no reason...you're probably right about it violating rule #1 (but in my defense, trying a new problem is a bit different than an FA, I don't really care, but other people might) No need to get so defensive, my comment was simply an observation p.s. I agree that yarp and elenore are far superior trolls than yourself

to Will S.: No doubt you think you caught me being a total noob, but I was simply being honest (my hardest trad RP is 10b/c, and I have hang-dogged second behind a much stronger tradster than myself. Maybe if you dig a little deeper you might find something really juicy (Like that awesome boulder problem that I posted but have not yet done:P)


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By thomas ellis
From abq
Mar 8, 2012
Mint jullop

What the hell are you guys talking about? Pm this shit. Mutt didn't you just whine about this kind of crap. /delete/


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By Jeff Stephens
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 8, 2012
Eastside

seriously guys... take it elsewhere

more on that:

Ellenor Stone wrote:
Jeff or whoever u r fine I will not post I'm done with this s**t DON'T F***N SEND ME S**T IN EMAIL!!!! FREAK! Later


I realize this is hopeless, but...

Ellenor... That's the very kind of post that is the problem. Notice how I PM'd you instead of using the forum to ask you to stop posting so many trivial trifles? You insist on responding here, further cluttering the forum. Why do you think this is the medium for personal messages, when there is a PM feature? Inappropriate use of a public forum. By the way, my name is Jeff, just like it says in my name.

I realize that by using Ellenor as an example, this post may flirt with Rule #1. If so, please delete it. However, these are real concerns and something's gotta give... I tried to communicate with her privately regarding my concerns, but she responded with this email: "Don't send me s**T IN EMAIL !!!!!" She would rather discuss it here in public, so let's go ahead and do that.

The funny thing about Ellenor is that she doesn't even violate Rule #1. She's not a jerk. But she has an uncanny ability to bring out the jerk in the rest of us. She tempts us to violate Rule #1.

Ellenor's not evil, nor does she say explicit nasty things about people, nor does she interject much political nonsense. There are many nastier people here at MP. I think she's genuinely trying to be a part of the community. She feels, rightfully, assaulted and defensive.

BUT...

She also adds little or no value to the discussions. She's certainly not alone, but she's prominent. Her posts are so numerous and so devoid of content, that they effectively dilute any thread in which she participates, partly because of her own numerous irrelevant one-line posts, but also because of the negative backlash that those posts elicit from other users, like this one, essentially forcing every thread into an off-topic smackdown, which, in turn, fuels the moderators-deleting-posts controversy. I hate this cycle, others do too. It sucks energy away from the community. It is becoming more and more difficult to locate relevant content in threads. Many threads resemble a chossy gully at this point. Something one must endure in order to reach a point of relevance.

I find it a bit tragic that so much valuable content and contribution by sincere, thoughtful MP members gets buried beneath a pile of useless chaff. It affects the overall user experience at MP. On the other hand, nobody can force a poster to make a point, or to use complete words, or to use Private Messages for private messages. MP is an open community and should be inclusive. But when one user is affecting the personal experience of many other users, without adding value to the community, and the affected have no ability to address the effect (e.g., I can't remove their posts), that is actually a problem that must be addressed.

It puts the moderators in an unfair position really. It's one thing to moderate a forum, where people are making genuine attempts to add value to the site, having dialogue, sometimes arguing; it's quite another to moderate a public chat room, where people are more interested in talking at their neighbor than making a point to a larger audience.

Now the whole situation has broken down into attacks on the moderators themselves! Attacking the moderators of a site you visit over and over and over, defending your right to have no responsibility about the crap you post, is not going to be constructive. I support the moderators in this community. Those who are really upset about a little house-cleaning should take a little vacation.

Sorry, Ellenor. I hope that wasn't actually your last post. I just hope it was your last pointless little blip of nonsense. You should work on crafting entire paragraphs, eventually you can string those together into complete statements about topics, and those would be a contribution. Otherwise, I suggest using Facebook.


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Mar 8, 2012

The way I read these last 8 pages is that people are pretty much tired of Ellenor!

I can think of like 5 user names that always come up. In addition to that, I feel like this all started because ellenor started to piss people off so much with her nonsense that it got real in the MP parking lot and people expressed their concern.

I don't really give a damn if I get censored, I know I say somw out of line shit, but 8 pages of crying... come on! Time to put on your grown up pants and start acting right!


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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Mar 8, 2012

Jeff Stephens wrote:
The funny thing about Ellenor is that she doesn't even violate Rule #1. She's not a jerk.


Sure she is.

When you treat this forum like it's your own personal Instant Messenger, posting one line quips in their own post, in a succession of posts only seconds or a minute apart, typing like a pre-teen texting while on a twinkie binge, and spraying on serious topics when you have nothing to add...yeah, that's being a jerk in my book.


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By Tradoholic
Mar 8, 2012

Yea guys, insulting mods will got you your way. Anyway, there's a way to be a jerk without sounding like one. Those without tact will be moderated, those with tact will survive.

My chief complaint is that it's the same old crap coming from the usual suspects. Come up with some new material and I think we can all continue on our merry way.


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By coldfinger
Mar 8, 2012

Not to change the subject TOO much.....

But one of the weird things I've been noticing about this thread is how much the posts are floating up and down the page as folks edit, delete, and yes for a few special types, get deleted.

Tides of change? Guess some of the flotsam floats back out to sea sometimes.


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Mar 9, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

so is she gone yet?


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By Andy Laakmann
Site Landlord
From Bend, OR
Mar 9, 2012
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me? Hint, its on Supercrack Buttress

Ellenor has opted out of MP.


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By Jeff Stephens
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 9, 2012
Eastside

I don't think she understood the purpose of the forum.

Do I win a t-shirt or something?


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By MegaGaper2000
From Indianola, Wa
Mar 9, 2012
the dragon's tail, or dragon's tooth, or whatever. And me.

Will S wrote:
You're right, it's so very interesting what you can find digging around in people's profiles...kinda like this: "Trad: Leads 5.10b Follows 5.12c"


Good job finding something in someone's online profile to make fun of. You really have a life. You are an awesome climber. Most people don't know that Royal Robins actually hung around MP scoping people's profile ("North American Wall is sandbagged, dude - but it would be, considering you say you follow two letter grades harder than you follow").

(Edited to remove asshattery and knee-jerkery)


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By Jeff Stephens
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 9, 2012
Eastside

Gaper

Put it behind you. This thread is now a zen garden. Can we get some Songs of the Whale in here already?

Just enjoy these moments of quietude and serenity.


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By coldfinger
Mar 9, 2012

What was Mitt talking about?

Self deportation?

Ah well, some folks don't handle "no" very well, too bad.


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By Senior Hernandez
Mar 9, 2012
on the trip

Come on, you boys should be men. Is that any way to treat a lady? I like Ell. She makes your gaper panties twist up knots because you realize she is a noob, but actually represents the true level of the rest of the nooblets. Perhaps it's like looking into a mirror and being agast. It's like the Senior class dissing the junior class because they, well, are seniors! Quiet and serenity my ass. Now we just have a bunch of gaping noobs thinking they know something. Ell, come on back. Screw these troglodyte trolls. Your posts were a thousand times more entertaining, interesting, and real. You added spice. All your dissenters add is a load of self-righteous crap compounded with a dash of whining baby for cover and self satisfaction. Come on back. That is a request, for real. I can't stand another page of "what should I do with my life now that I realized it sucks". A good old stump thread is much more entertaining and it is what keeps me coming back, not the lame, "How do I masturbate with a cantaloupe thread". It's all nonsense, but at least you know how to entertain with your nonsense. For those of you that think these threads are a valuable asset for climbing, for seriously? Get out of your house and climb!!! The asset is the rock. The asset is the database of climbs. MP is an asset, but not the whiny troll part of MP. Coldfinger, that means you!

EDIT: People who post twice in a row should be banned for life.


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By MegaGaper2000
From Indianola, Wa
Mar 9, 2012
the dragon's tail, or dragon's tooth, or whatever. And me.

What about...


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By MegaGaper2000
From Indianola, Wa
Mar 9, 2012
the dragon's tail, or dragon's tooth, or whatever. And me.

....people who...


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By Woodchuck ATC
Mar 10, 2012
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

Andy Laakmann wrote:
Ellenor has opted out of MP.


!! Does this mean I can now safely oogle scantily clad girls once again while on belay? My summer will be more complete that way, that's for sure.


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By NickinCO
From colorado
Mar 10, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.

I'm glad she is gone.


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By Tradoholic
Mar 10, 2012

All it took for her to quit was a critical email?!?!!? Clearly she wasn't man enough for the forums anyway. Keep up the nonsense!


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By Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Mar 10, 2012
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December 2013.

C'mon folks. Its like you're gang banging a corpse now. Leave her alone already.

Have a nice day.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Mar 10, 2012
Colonel Mustard

I'm sure they'll be off banging some other corpse soon enough ;).

While I found her posting style annoying, it was funny to watch people who couldn't handle their shit interact with her.

There are a few other non-contributing dickhead poster/trolls who have been driven off, an absence I find much more refresing than the loss of our very own Ellenor Gump, RN.


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By Woodchuck ATC
Mar 10, 2012
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

Ouch!.,,, but true I suppose.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Mar 10, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Woodchuck ATC wrote:
Ouch!.,,, but true I suppose.


We've all got our pet peeves, she just wasn't mine. So it was funny ;).


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By -sp
From East-Coast
Mar 10, 2012
Buenos Dias!

Old Custer wrote:
We've all got our pet peeves, she just wasn't mine. So it was funny ;).


Actually she committed the most egregious of all forum sins: annoying without being funny. So if one reasonable attempt to enlighten her caused her to throw a tantrum and run away, so be it. Besides I'm sure she's already 300 posts deep into a new group filled with people she has no idea she's aggravating.


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