not even 10 minutes. To those who want a good laugh check out the new song by lil' b and andy milinakis, if I posted the name I'd violate rule #1 again.

I think people posting dickish things will end up being ostracized themselves eventually. So what if people like ellinor get torn apart, there is a clear consensus that she is annoying and "a troll". Yarp posts abrasive stuff but it doesn't mean it's not true.

Stop censoring everyone. It just creates confusion.

+1 Stich.

I think mods are really creating more work for themselves. There will always be new users that are dicks. There will always be thread hijacking that turns into pissing contests in ANY public forum. It could be a crocheting forum and that would happen. It's just the nature of semi-anonymous venues. You're not going to utterly stamp it out. And for each person that you satisfy by censoring, there's probably a person that is dissatisfied because it's now boring or monotonous or just too goddamned shiny/happy. So who do you please? If someone can't handle being called a noob, having it pointed out that they're annoying, post too much, spray drivel, are a poser, are just flat out wrong, then they probably shouldn't be here in the first place. They should be at home with a lip-tight seal around mommy's nipple.

So what if a thread drags out? It's ok if it's way off topic and filled with bullshit as long as no one's wittle feewins get hurt? There are as many threads that diverge into something totally different because of hilarity as there are because two users get into a personal pissing match.

Some people need to hear that they don't know shit. I myself have been rudely told that I was trying to look like I knew something that I was utterly clueless about. And you know what? Although I was rubbed the wrong way, they were right. Some people need to be coddled. Some people need to feel this sense of community with a bunch of people- the vast majority of whom they will never meet in their lives. I don't think that one is more ridiculous and unecessary than the other. The point is that to take away one, you're inadvertently encouraging the other, and that changes the atmosphere here that most of us really like. I basically just wrote a novel on what Stich managed to say in a few sentences. So yeah; I agree.

Most of the negativity comes from users who strive to reach the status of Killis and John L.

They're funny. There is a fine line between funny and being a complete ass

^^^I don't see MP turning into what you are projecting, Muttonface. And yes, the forum will never get rid of every jerk post while still keeping it open as most climbers expect. That is part of maintaining a quality site. For a clear example of the difference between a free for all forum and one that has some oversight, check out most news stories or youtube videos and all the drivel that is posted as comment below, and a site like the New York Times where interesting, varied and intelligent discussion follows.

We are all climbers too, and as a group I have never known climbers not to be a little irreverent, so I don't think you are going to see MP turn sterile. If it did and because of that less people used it, than that is accountability.

I don't see censorship as it is here as anything more than kids being made to be quite and stand in the corner after screaming poopiehead one too many times and disturbing everybody elses day at the crag. I am sure they think the parent is being mean and unfair.

Look, we already have the FLAG link on the right of all posts. Those of you out there that are offended, just FLAG what offends you and then the mods can decide from there if they want to delete it.

IMHO, the new moderation is not improving the quality of this site at all but is instead encouraging the entitlement of few whiney personas who feel that their inability to deal with conflict should dictate the rules for everyone else. No one is forced to read these threads. If you are tired of Yarp's posts, stop reading them. Only you have the power of self-restraint, try using that instead of demanding that the rest of the community change their behaviors to accommodate you. It is clear from the responses here that the majority of posters view the "trolls" as amusing and are one of the major reasons that they read these forums. I think the number of people complaining about these types of behaviors is in the minority, even if they are exceeding loud. Ironically, I find many of the complainers to be the worst offenders in terms of antagonism and name calling, but I would never want them to be censored either. I know the idea that we are all responsible for our own feelings is a radical one, but think about it.

Maybe by the mods instigating this practice we can eliminate some of the frequent I CAN OUT TALK YOU I CAN OUTSHOCK YOU one upmanship chest beating. Not that it isn't entertaining on occasion but pages of this action grows weary fast. Even picking on ELLENOR loses it's magic after about three posts.