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By Dee Kay
Aug 9, 2011
Hi All,

I understand that Colorado Custom Hardware has had many difficulties lately, but does anyone know the status of the company at the moment? I sent my cams in to be re-slung last December (8 months ago) as the president of CCH told me they were in business and would fix them, but they have not returned my gear yet and have not responded to my repeated phone calls and emails. WTF?

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By JitsClimber
From Broomfield,Co
Aug 9, 2011
Me doing my Jits thing (what I do when not climbin...
last I heard they were sold to Fixe. there's an article on here somewhere. do a search.

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By Malcolm Daly
From Boulder, CO
Aug 9, 2011
This is cross-posted from Supertopo.com:

Actually, DKClimber, that fits the CCH M.O. perfectly. Sorry, but your cams are probably gone.

On a good note, at the trade show last week I held in my hands a perfect Alien, now made by Fixe in Spain. I guess they bought the company from Dave's widow and are manufacturing what appears to be the v.2 Aliens. I hope they didn't pay too much for the company...

Here're the good things:

Fixe is a well established Euro company with ISO 9000 compliance and the knowledge and resources to get things done.

In order to be produced in the Euro-zone they have to have the CE rating and testing. They can't simply stamp the unit or advertise that they are CE/UIAA as CCH did.

The Aliens had that sweet, "Alien" snap that new ones always had.

Here're the questionable things:

They said they were going to deliver next month but had no idea what the price was. Their target price was $65. Now I've been in the manufacturing world and know well that "delivery next month" and "we're not sure what the price will be" are pretty incompatible concepts. If they are delivering next month, they need to have units on the shelf now, packaging completed, testing and certifications finished and a distribution plan in place. They also know their production costs and margins and prices. So my guess is that you won't see anything next month.

The other questionable thing is that the units displayed said "Made in USA". The rep there told me that part of their agreement with Nadia was that they would be identical in every way to the CCH version, including the markings, "CCH" and "Made in USA". But if they are made in Spain, like they say, that can't say "Made in USA" or customs will stop them cold. So, for just a little more weirdness, the rep told me the samples I was holding were made at Fixe in Spain but they were absolutely identical to the last CCH Aliens I saw that came out of Laramie. Even the milling artifacts on the lobes and the sides of the cable head were identical. Hmmmm.

I'm also very very skeptical of hitting the $65 target price. When we were negotiating with Dave to buy CCH, we took samples to China for a quote after being unable to find anyone who would touch them in the USA. The best quote we got for 25,000 units was LOC, $32 FOB China. Going through the normal distribution steps would make them a $150 cam. Now I know that Spain's economy is in the toilet but I'll bet it still costs more to produce in Spain than it does in China. So, like I said, I'm skeptical.

Whatever. It's great to see that a reputable company has taken over the production of the Aliens and I'll be one of the first in line to replace my old used ones.

I hope they can do it.

Mal

BTW, I talked to a rep, not to Kevin, and reps are notorious disseminators of bad information. Kevin, you out there?

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By proto
From Falmouth (MA)
Aug 9, 2011
at the belay on the super classic rewritten
FYI,
starting this fall, totemcam will also be selling a cam very similar to the Aliens called the "basic cam".


totemcams.com/content/index.ph...

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By paulmadry
Nov 5, 2011
dangler
My friend just emailed me that new Aliens are sold for 80$ in Gunks Rock and Snow.

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By Ice4life
From SLC, UT
Nov 6, 2011
GYM
alien 1
alien 1

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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Nov 6, 2011
Flaming Pumpkin
That doesn't seem worth the price

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By Toby Butterfield
From Portland, OR
Nov 7, 2011
Fear and Loathing.
I get that people are really attached to the Alien design, but I can't imagine paying 30% more for them than, say, Mastercams.

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By TheIceManCometh
From Albany, NY
Nov 10, 2011
Chiller Pillar, Adirondacks
I was in Rock & Snow on Tuesday & they said the Fixe Aliens were selling well. I think they said they got about 150 cams less than a month ago and only have about 20 left.

Looks like Mountain Tools will carry them too.
mountaintools.com/cat/rclimb/c...

Totem Basic Cams go for $60 whereas Fixe Aliens retail for $80. Totem sells Yellow, Red & Green Basic cams plus the Yellow/Red and Red/Green Hybrid. Fixe also provides the Blue and Gray Alien but no Hybrids yet.

Here's a comparison of specs. Looks like the Fixe version are heavier yet stronger (but it's hard to know if Totem & Fixe use the same testing methodology).


Comparing specs of Totem Basic Cams vs. Fixe Alien...
Comparing specs of Totem Basic Cams vs. Fixe Aliens

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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Nov 10, 2011
Flaming Pumpkin
ChooChoo wrote:
Looks like the Fixe version are heavier yet stronger (but it's hard to know if Totem & Fixe use the same testing methodology).


They aren't stronger, and they don't use the same testing methods.

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Nov 10, 2011
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protec...
Evan Sanders wrote:
They aren't stronger, and they don't use the same testing methods.


care to elaborate on the statement?

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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Nov 10, 2011
Flaming Pumpkin
rock_fencer wrote:
care to elaborate on the statement?


Yeah I will unless someone else does before me, I'm kind of browsing MP as a distraction to something more important right now. But the exact testing info is on another thread (I think in Gear Reviews) and a good explanation can be found there. If you don't want to look for it when I have time tonight I'll search for it.

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Nov 11, 2011
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protec...
Evan Sanders wrote:
Yeah I will unless someone else does before me, I'm kind of browsing MP as a distraction to something more important right now. But the exact testing info is on another thread (I think in Gear Reviews) and a good explanation can be found there. If you don't want to look for it when I have time tonight I'll search for it.



i thought the other thread was talking about Totem basic vs. CCH not Fixe. The whole 80% (CCH) vs 25% (Totem) cam closure.

Its kinda moot since the numbers are very similar between Fixe and Totem

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By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Nov 11, 2011
Flaming Pumpkin
rock_fencer wrote:
i thought the other thread was talking about Totem basic vs. CCH not Fixe. The whole 80% (CCH) vs 25% (Totem) cam closure. Its kinda moot since the numbers are very similar between Fixe and Totem


Yeah it was. I also read somewhere though that Fixe does their testing like CCH. Again, I'll have to look where, I can't remember.

You're right though, it doesn't really matter. They're both strong, and to say one is stronger for climbing purposes just seems a little ridiculous to me since those break strength numbers will very, very rarely be reached. For practical purposes, they are equally strong (and more than likely for testing purposes, but since they don't test the gear the same I can't really say that for sure)

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By Gunkiemike
Nov 11, 2011
Any idea (anyone) is there's any hope of getting a trashed CCH Alien repaired? I have one that needs new springs (and other fixes I can take care of).

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By Mike McL
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 11, 2011
Gunkiemike wrote:
Any idea (anyone) is there's any hope of getting a trashed CCH Alien repaired? I have one that needs new springs (and other fixes I can take care of).


Wired Bliss repaired broken trigger wires and even replaced a spring on my old Alien. I believe they'll re-sling your cams as well if necessary. Quick turn around & cheap. Highly recommended.

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By Scott O
From California
Nov 12, 2011
Batman Pinnacle
So, Fixe Aliens are definitely going to happen?

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Nov 12, 2011
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protec...
Scott O wrote:
So, Fixe Aliens are definitely going to happen?



yes, they are out on the market in a few shops currently. hopefully they roll out some more. LGO may carry them in the next few months hopefully.

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By Scott O
From California
Nov 12, 2011
Batman Pinnacle
rock_fencer wrote:
yes, they are out on the market in a few shops currently. hopefully they roll out some more. LGO may carry them in the next few months hopefully.


Sweet.

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By Greg G
From SLC, UT
Nov 17, 2011
The route in it's entirety.
I ordered mine straight from the site. The said the estimated shipping date would be November the 6th, and I received my cam on November the 15th. The ship from Portland, Oregon and from what I can tell it looks like they're using a business account UPS economy shipping method. So shipping usually takes 7-14 business days depending on your locale in the US. I'm Stoked on mine!!

edit to add: They're offered for 59.95 on the totem website. So why pay 80 bucks at your local climbing store? I understand loyalty, and all that. But if you spend a ton of money there already save yourself some!2

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By Matt Sedor
From portland, or
Nov 17, 2011
mmmmmmonkey
Toby B wrote:
I get that people are really attached to the Alien design, but I can't imagine paying 30% more for them than, say, Mastercams.


Toby, Toby, Toby. Aliens are the best.

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By markrineer
From Moab, UT
Nov 17, 2011
Greg, the totem cams and the aliens aren't the same. Fixe is the company making the new aliens and selling them for 80.

Edit: Has there been a comprehensive comparison between the totem and fixe cams? ie: cam angle, materials, etc. I noticed that the fixe aliens are stronger and heavier for the size (according to totemcams.com and mtntools.), but are both designs true to the alien design?

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By Mike McL
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 17, 2011
markrineer wrote:
Greg, the totem cams and the aliens aren't the same. Fixe is the company making the new aliens and selling them for 80. Edit: Has there been a comprehensive comparison between the totem and fixe cams? ie: cam angle, materials, etc. I noticed that the fixe aliens are stronger and heavier for the size (according to totemcams.com and mtntools.), but are both designs true to the alien design?


I can't speak for the new Fixe Aliens, but the new Totem Basic Cams are essentially identical to my old Aliens. I've climbed with them a few days now. I don't notice any significant differences with normal use. The flexibility, trigger mechanism, and softer aluminum are all part of the Totem design. The camming angle is also supposed to be the same as the old Aliens, 16 degrees I believe.

I understand that the sizing between the old Aliens and the new Totem Basic Cams is a little different. I think it's like 1 mm difference in the yellow and 1.5 mm in the red. Honestly, I haven't noticed it. For me, green is still tight fingers, yellow good fingers, and red just off fingers.

Also, the strength ratings are different. I read somewhere that this may have something to do with how they're tested, specifically at what percent (25 vs 50 or something like that) they're retracted when tested. Again, I'm not too concerned about this. In my opinion, the Basic Cams are plenty strong for normal use.

And I agree completely that Aliens are the best small cam design in the green-red sizes (C3s may have a case in the very smallest sizes). They are superior to Mastercams IMO. Worth the extra cash if you ask me. It's great that they're being manufactured again (and by larger reputable companies).

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By Mike McL
From South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 17, 2011
By the way, in the table posted above by ChooChoo, I'm pretty sure that Mountain Tools is just listing the specifications for the old Aliens. I suppose the new ones will be the same.

FWIW here's the conversions in inches to get an apples to apples comparison for the range:

Totem Basics:

Green 0.54-0.84 inches
Yellow 0.65-1.03 inches
Red 0.78-1.24 inches

Fixe Aliens:

Green 0.53-0.86
Yellow 0.63-1.05
Red 0.78-1.33

So it looks like the Fixe Aliens may have a slightly greater expansion range. I'm not sure if this is due to how they're measured or a slight difference in the camming angle. But like I said earlier, I don't notice any difference in real world use. After all, it's a few hundredths of an inch.

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By TheIceManCometh
From Albany, NY
Nov 17, 2011
Chiller Pillar, Adirondacks
The new Aliens from Fixe are shown on their site here: techrock.es/index.php?mmod=sho...

Looks like they plan on producing the full line of regular, hybrid and long Aliens (although they're only selling the Blue, Green, Yellow, Gray and Red Aliens now).

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By Jorge Pantalones
From PRB, CO
Jan 17, 2013
Moi
Dee, I know this thread is long dead but -

I've been seeing some industrial bar-tacking machines from Laramie, WY on craigslist over the past month and just had to post. If you look check the picture of the sewn-off example, it looks like a Alien sling.

denver.craigslist.org/for/3539...

So, I guess if you're willing to pay a bit more for your re-slinging and shipping, you could just do it yourself! Maybe they'd even ship you aliens back with the machines, who knows?

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