Routes are inside cave made by gaint flake. Both are commonly guided by Rivermen, easpecially when raining(yes raining) Routes are easy moderates if use both north and south walls for stemming. Routes made significantly Harder (11-) if use only north wall(trad-able)
inside gaint flake cave
trad, no anchors (do not lead right(west) route) there is no way to top out!