Cassin X-Gyro Lanyard vs. BD Spinner Leash for Leashless Ice Climbing
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Does anyone have any comments on the Cassin X-Gyro Lanyard vs the BD Spinner Leash for tethering your tools for leashless ice climbing. I am new to leashless climbing but in come situations where you want to be sure not to drop your tools, these products sound useful. Both are rated to 2kn. |
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So maybe I am confused here but you are asking about leashes for leashless ice climbing? |
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Cole Phinney wrote:So maybe I am confused here but you are asking about leashes for leashless ice climbing?To avoid confusion, I personally like to refer to products such as the X-gyro and spinner as tethers (edit: or umbilicals) that are very different than leashes. To the OP - I have no experience with the X-gyro but I have used a BD spinner on a couple occasions just to get a feel for it. Definitely took a little getting used to but I think I would definitely use one on an alpine climb/other scenario where I absolutely do not want to drop a tool. (FYI I don't like climbing with leashes in any context). |
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The Spinner Leash works as advertised but plan on cutting off the metal ends and replacing with carabiners. They are well known for disconnecting because of how weak the metal mini-clips are. |
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The Blue Ice are the simplest and strongest. They are designed so that you can girth hitch all attachment points (belay loop and each axe) instead of needing carabiners. I would strongly recommend using Metolius FS Mini biners on the axe ends though - it doesn't really effect your swing and makes it way easier to fix your umbilicals when they get all twisted up. |
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Ben B. wrote: Leashes are for wrists... leashless climbing does not necessarily mean un-secured tools. Tethers and umbilicals are pretty standard for leashless climbing.So then why are they called leashes? Just curious and stirring the coals a little. |
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Cole Phinney wrote: So then why are they called leashes? Just curious and stirring the coals a little.Why do you park in your driveway? |
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Ray Pinpillage wrote: Why do you park in your driveway?And drive on the Parkway? |
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Home made or commercial umbilicals will fail at the knot or on the sewing or the webbing first. The biners (any of them) or swivel will likely not fail because the webbing will only accept such low over all weight loads. BD's biner has a well earned reputation for loosing the tool. Grivel changed to a locker just for that reason season's before BD's version was even available. The 4mm cord (listed @ 1200#) in the BD comment is what I have used in the past to tie on my Nomics. I no longer do that but tie in with a girth hitch to a Boa leash because I do use my tools as my primary personal belay when the umbilicals are attached. |
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FWIW I just put the entire NA stock of Boa leashes on sale. You can find them through the "for sale" link on Cold Thistle. |
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Dane, I looked but couldnt find it. Where is this for sale link you speak of? |
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Sorry, it is needlessly confusing. Scroll down the for sale ad and you will eventually see them. |
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So does anyone have any thoughts regarding the OP's question? Cassin X-Gyro Leash vs. BD Spinner Leash. |
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Ignoring all the negative posts and drift from the subject. Ive messed around with both and find the X-Gyro pretty cool. I would assume that you are concerned about dropping an axe. If this is the case making your own is not so difficult and very cheap. All the best. |
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I made my own Blue Ice style leashes with 1/2" webbing and elastic cord. The key is to tie off the elastic cord so that the loops going to the tools are just webbing, no elastic inside. Then you can thread the webbing through the hole in the handles and loop it around the pommel somewhere. It's secure, easy to take off or put back on whenever you want. With gloves on you can't even tell that there is any material there. |
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I had a closer look, and if you don't include the 2x Nano 23 biners, the X-Gyro is indeed lighter than the BD Spinner, ~110g vs. ~120g. And of course you can girth-hitch it to your tools, without the biners. So considering also that it comes with those 2 biners for only $10 more, I'd say that makes it superior, unless you worry about the ball-and-socket joints failing over time. |
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Never tried the Blue Ice. I do have BD Spinner and home made version.
Home made:
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"My biggest complain about home made version is that the wedding tend to soak up water much much faster than BD version. My home made version got wet and frozen too easily for me to use it for ice climbing. |
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On topic of umbilicals, my tools do not have a hole in the spike to accommodate them, what do people do in this situation? Considered dremeling a small hole an running small diameter cord through. Tools are Grivel takkoons. |
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