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Aug 11, 2014
Leashless bliss. 3 points of contact
David Sahalie wrote:
Is Good Pro offering to be Bill'S CO pot guide?...Whether Good Pro is Joan or not, it is hard to believe there are two women from Boulder that consistently write the same style of inane babble, post after post.


Tom-onator wrote:
Finkle and Einhorn, Einhorn and Finkle.




@TBlom.
I honestly appreciate the heads-up.
We have a week in the Tetons/Yellowstone booked in late fall and hopefully the profiling will have eased by then.
It's a shame the WYO S.P. has nothing better to do than hassle tourists (spreading their hard earned money throughout the state) over possession of a couple of doobies.

I see this thread as valuable information in making future travel/climbing/mtn. biking plans. If Utah and Wyoming continue to be asses about CO tourists I will cease travelling and spending there.
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Talking about Sharma...The gym grades are soft. It's a good gym don't take me wrong but waaay laid back grades. Sharma was very lucky to be in the right place at the right time. If not for climbing I can see Chris running a dispensary at best. Considering his work ethics (plays a flute while his buddy coiled the rope. Just saying... i don't know about "David San" :) Joan Lee
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The Phoenix
Joan Lee wrote:
Talking about Sharma...The gym grades are soft. It's a good gym don't take me wrong but waaay laid back grades. Sharma was very lucky to be in the right place at the right time. If not for climbing I can see Chris running a dispensary at best. Considering his work ethics (plays a flute while his buddy coiled the rope. Just saying... i don't know about "David San" :)


Does your ass hurt from talking so much?
The Phoenix
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Aug 11, 2014
Whoa don't talk to my friend like that. Just because you haven't seen a woman's ass in many years doesn't mean it is okay to make up stories about their functions. Have some class she makes a good point good pro
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Aug 11, 2014
The Phoenix
good pro wrote:
Whoa don't talk to my friend like that. Just because you haven't seen a woman's ass in many years doesn't mean it is okay to make up stories about their functions. Have some class she makes a good point


Does it hurt twice as much? I mean two personalities, same ass?
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good pro wrote:
Whoa don't talk to my friend like that. Just because you haven't seen a woman's ass in many years doesn't mean it is okay to make up stories about their functions. Have some class she makes a good point

  • high five* *bum bump*
Sista!!
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Joan Lee
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I knew it was only a matter of time before she started using multiple accounts so she had someone on her side(s).
P.S. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to the road to recovery.
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Aug 12, 2014
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "...
David Sahalie wrote:
Great news Joan Pro! Cannabis can be used to treat shizophrenia healthland.time.com/2012/05/30...

Early evidence suggests that CDB's, one of the active but non-psychedelic components in MJ may indeed be quite effective at that. But a concordance of studies has shown that MJ, in and of itself, can make schizophrenia worse. This is reported in your link.
This sounds like a technicality, but it would sure suck to have people with a common medical problem thinking about self-medicating in the wrong way because they heard something that was not quite true and didn't look into the details.
Having dealt with mentally ill patients who took psychedelics, I assure you this is not completely preposterous. It is also established fact that some hallucinogenics can trigger the onset of dormant schizophrenia, though the mode of action is not clearly understood, and I can not tell you if MJ is on the list. I'm just saying that people with Sz (or a family history of Sz, the most heritable psychiatric condition of all) should avoid whole MJ, even if seeking CBD to treat their condition.

And thanks for the link, BTW. Seriously. It was a good read.

FYI: (as a curiosity for those who are) Did you know that Nicotine has been certainly proven as a protective and perhaps mitigating drug Vs Schizophrenia?
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Aug 12, 2014
Leashless bliss. 3 points of contact
I'm curious as to what color your plates are on your vehicle TBlom.
Since Colorado has many different colored license plates to choose from, I wonder if there is a bias against the traditional green plates v.s. the plethora of other styles?
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Tom plater what wyomings refer to as the "greenie " plate is often singled out , The green plate is a symbol for marijuana use and Colo Radens are often referred to as greenies another term for soft or new. good pro
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Aug 12, 2014
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Tony B wrote:
But a concordance of studies has shown that MJ, in and of itself, can make schizophrenia worse. This is reported in your link. This sounds like a technicality, but it would sure suck to have people with a common medical problem thinking about self-medicating in the wrong way because they heard something that was not quite true and didn't look into the details. Having dealt with mentally ill patients who took psychedelics, I assure you this is not completely preposterous. It is also established fact that some hallucinogenics can trigger the onset of dormant schizophrenia, though the mode of action is not clearly understood, and I can not tell you if MJ is on the list. ?



Most of those studies were paid for by pharmaceutical companies, who's results, as we all know, are always unbiased! And yes, MJ is on that list.


While doing research on this same subject in grad school I looked at a plethora of studies covering this same correlation between schizophrenia and various cannabinoids. One study done in NZ in the 1990's was especially compelling. The problem with this study and every other that I researched was that the correlation did not really prove causation, even in longitudinal studies with a huge samplings. So, it is not a fact, but because the high level of correlation and the ramifications of that correlation, the medical community began to accept this supposition as fact to avoid the potential consequences.

Because "the mode of action" is not understood, it's an insinuation that the correlation is in fact proving causation. Until this new information came out, there was no reason for professionals to question the acceptance of correlation proving causation, especially with the DEA breathing down their necks. But now with this new evidence, perhaps we will finally get a study that can answer this question more concretely.



Any psychotic teenage twins wanna get high?
J Q
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Aug 12, 2014
No, they're referred to as greenies because they've had green plates as the standard since 1958. More or less as long as climbers have been coming from Colorado to climb in Wyoming, they've had green plates. As there's always been an undercurrent of xenophobia in the Wyoming citizenry, they naturally came up with derisive nicknames pretty early on. There's no additional implications re: marijauna, or relative freshness (vis greenhorns). Brian Scoggins
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Aug 12, 2014
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J Q wrote:
Most of those studies were paid for by pharmaceutical companies, who's results, as we all know, are always unbiased! And yes, MJ is on that list. While doing research on this same subject in grad school I looked at a plethora of studies covering this same correlation between schizophrenia and various cannabinoids. One study done in NZ in the 1990's was especially compelling. The problem with this study and every other that I researched was that the correlation did not really prove causation, even in longitudinal studies with a huge samplings. So, it is not a fact, but because the high level of correlation and the ramifications of that correlation, the medical community began to accept this supposition as fact to avoid the potential consequences. Because "the mode of action" is not understood, it's an insinuation that the correlation is in fact proving causation. Until this new information came out, there was no reason for professionals to question the acceptance of correlation proving causation, especially with the DEA breathing down their necks. But now with this new evidence, perhaps we will finally get a study that can answer this question more concretely.

You are right, in the 1990's less was understood. Took classes back then too. Sounds like you are missing out on 20 years worth of data. Lets face it - we were dealing with what is now obsolete technology back then.

But the most recent course I took (just this year) was much more clear on that Vs psychedelics in general.
Mapping of the genome and the identification of the markers for schizophernia have simplified analysis quite a bit. It is presently understood that the largely genetic (8P21 area, more or less surrounding the Neuregulin-1 gene), but partially penetrant condition (48% in identical twins) can be triggered by various psychadelics... the more powerful (IE LSD) the worse the odds, it seems. But as I said before, I can't say about the data on THC itself and how significant the risk is.
However, the evidence for even LSD does not seem not suggest that it poses a measurable additional risk to those who are not predisposed to the condition. (Won't make you crazy unless you already are) I believe that this includes heterozygote conditions, but I'd have to look that up in my books/notes if you are interested/care what present knowledge is.
You are also correct that a lack of good, solid animal models and the severe consequence of the human condition prevents solid lab work on a per-subject basis. Wish it was a little better understood. But I wouldn't jump to blame in on "big pharma".
There's an awful lot of research going on by people who have it in the family and are NOT in it for the money.
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