Campfire under Anorexic Roof
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Within the past two weeks someone had a campfire underneath the Anorexic roof at Priest Draw. Now the entire exit of Anorexic, and a good portion of the rest of the roof is covered in soot. The route is still climbable, and Carnivore and Carnivore Direct are mostly untouched by the soot, but this is still an incredibly inconsiderate act. It's possible that it is not a climber at fault, but in any case we should spread the word and let people know that this happened and it is not okay. I know 99% of people have the common sense to know better, but we need to let people know to: NOT LIGHT ANY FIRES UNDER OR NEAR BOULDERS! and ONLY USE DESIGNATED AREAS IN CAMPSITES! |
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WOW! Shaking my head... |
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Unfortunate for sure. Its almost like vandalism but was probably just uninformed nature lovers. Back in olden times sheepherders would camp out under the horizontal roofs around the Draw. The soot from their campfires was permanently abosrbed into the stone. |
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I agree. |
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Me too. Darn kids. |
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Ya the fact that some climbers decided to climb on this boulder makes it off limits to any other use. Don't these fire starters know bouldering is sacrosanct and takes precedence over any other use of a rock! |
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Jimbo wrote:Ya the fact that some climbers decided to climb on this boulder makes it off limits to any other use. Don't these fire starters know bouldering is sacrosanct and takes precedence over any other use of a rock! Here's a historical tidbit guys, Indians, trappers, and backpackers were lighting fires underneath boulders to stay warm and stay out of the rain long before you showed up with your mattresses and boom boxes. Whats more unsightly or more damaging, a line of soot or crossing lines of chalk and obliterated pad trampled undergrowth? You all might want to tone down the egocentric rant a bit. Just saying.This is the most sensible post I've read on MP in a very long time. |
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Wow. . . good stuff. |
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Since when did climbing/bouldering take precedent over all other uses of the rock in Priest Draw? I'm certain that holds coated with chalk and the areas around the base of rocks/boulders trampled and denuded of vegetation is equally unsightly to others who use the area. Don't be so egocentric!! |
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Dlsask - the vast majority of people that climb at the draw would probably agree. I wouldnt worry too much about highly-opinionated people that don't live near by. |
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WildernessRespect wrote: Are you trying to tell climbers not to use camp fires there and where to camp? Wasting your time about something that most likely did not involve a climber.He specifically said "we need to tell people". He did not say climbers. |
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Before this gets terribly out of hand, and way off topic I would like to reiterate the primary point. Please don't light fires underneath the roofs at Priest Draw. I am not trying to infringe on anyone's rights and freedoms, and you're right there are no laws that I'm aware of that state that you can't light fires under the roofs. However, all I'm asking for is a little consideration of other people, and again, climbers were probably not even at fault. Just spread the word is all. |
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dlsask, |
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Eric D wrote:Man, there has been a lot of strong opinions lately on local issues from people that are not very familiar with the areas being discussed.Opinions are like assholes, man. Everybody's got one and usually there's a hot wheel car lodged in it... Wait. That's just me? Shit. |
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I think this topic could use a few more posts with the word "egocentric" in it. |
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egocentric |
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Careful lighting fires under rocks - part may fall off |
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This sucks! This is a great reason why the NACC has to re-energize and re-engage the local climbing community in coming together to educate and promote local ethics in all Flagstaff climbing areas. |
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Andrew, that's a huge bummer man. I'm sorry to see that sort of thing happening to a pretty cool looking route. Jacob D I'm with you man. How do you think we can make that happen? I'm not familiar with the organization. I'm sure the folks at Vertical Relief would be willing to spread the word as well. |
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David Sahalie wrote: redneck behavior is always stupid and inexcusable. pulling a trigger on a gun or lighting a fire under a roof for 'survival' does not put you on the same level as climbing trash, 4 wheelers, guns, chopping down trees for fun, fire pits with half burned crap... these people also screw their sisters... am i supposed to respect that too?So since I own a quad and a couple of guns, had a few beers around a fire pit automatically means that I would be screwing my sister if I had one? Define "these people" |