CAMP Nano 22 Gate Closure Issue

So I bought 12 Nano 22's back in May, I have noticed the gates on 3 or 4 are really squeaky. The red one that I use on my #1 has now started to stick.

It does not do this if snapped closed when fully open but is relatively easy to replicate if closing it slowly or opening it just a little it sticks every time past the nose.

Has anyone else had this issue?

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Clean and lube the gates. Warm water with a little dish soap. If you can blast with compressed air or just rinse with clean water and let dry. Then lube with can lube. Don't use WD40 or any oil based lube. Even some dry lubes aren't completely dry. Good example is graphite, some have a delivery base that doesn't completely evaporate.

I had this same issue with my BD hoodwire caribiners. I thought it was really sketch when I had to manually close them after clipping my rope. I put some metolius cam lube on them, and now they work like they're brand new!

Had this same exact issue with the Omega Jake twist lock. Talked to QA about it. They asked me to send it in and sent me a replacement after testing found something "off".

I picked up nano 22s as my racking biners and a few for alpine draws in June, they've seen a decent amount of use without issue.

I recently bought a complete set of Nano 22s for my racking biners and 3 of them had sticking gates right out of the box. Camp has offered to replace them.

Of the three types of nano size biners I've used the CAMP seem the least durable

All biners are susceptible to sticking gates. There's even a route in the Gunks - FA'ed in 1949 - called "Sticky Gate". A little lubricant is typically all you need.

Gunkiemike wrote:A little lubricant is typically all you need.

^^^^^
That's what she said

Nano = nono

Not a fan of the nano's, this was a retired one I was using for my keys.

I have 14 CAMP Nano's and will use them until they are worn out. I will then buy something a few grams heavier that works better i.e. will hold three bites of rope and still open...I bought them simply because the were the lightest I could find and they were on a great sale. I will probably buy Wild Country biners next...can't remember the name but they are 33 grams and an have a longer nose.

Heard about this issue from a friend last weekend that saw nearly half a rack of brand new ones with sticky gates. On the flipside, I've got a handful and haven't seen any problems (and the action is soooo much better than the 23s were). Sounds like CAMP's providing good support for the issue, which is nice to see.

No issues with my set so far.

gription wrote:I have 14 CAMP Nano's and will use them until they are worn out. I will then buy something a few grams heavier that works better i.e. will hold three bites of rope and still open...I bought them simply because the were the lightest I could find and they were on a great sale. I will probably buy Wild Country biners next...can't remember the name but they are 33 grams and an have a longer nose.

Wild Country Heliums

33g + FULL SIZED + Notchless = My favourite rock climbing non-locking biner!

Some Nano 23's I bought at REI came with gates that were bent right off the shelf, returned them for ones that weren't bent. Haven't had any with gate closure issues after a couple years of light to moderate use, I'll admit however they aren't the most confidence inspiring biners out there.

Does anybody know a similar-weight biner that they're more happy with? I've been trialing 2 of the Nanos for several months and they're doing fine, but a buddy of mine has had some sticky gate issues also. Lube did fix them, but seeing this thread makes me wonder. I know that gates can stick, but I have only had this issue one or two times in 35 years of climbing, and this sorta sounds like a trend with this biner. I have plenty of 15 year old neutrinos that have not needed a second of maintenance. I'd actually wanted to pick up a bunch of Nanos to lighten my alpine draws, now not so sure.

Khoi wrote: Wild Country Heliums 33g + FULL SIZED + Notchless = My favourite rock climbing non-locking biner!

Agreed, I have some helium draws I got used and really love them but dang those things are pricey. My Nano 22's have been doing fine since I lubed the one that was sticking. The gate action is much improved over 23's so I will hang on to them for now.

Optimistic wrote:Does anybody know a similar-weight biner that they're more happy with?

The only other micro biners of this size/weight would be the 19g Edelrid one, which I have heard good things about, and the FS Mini. I have a few of Nano 22s and haven't had this issue, and I much prefer them to the FS Mini, which i also have and use. If you don't wanna go with the edelrid one or the nano 22, your next best option would be either the BD OZ/Hoodwire at 28g or the small Petzl Ange, also 28g.

eli poss wrote: The only other micro biners of this size/weight would be the 19g Edelrid one, which I have heard good things about, and the FS Mini. I have a few of Nano 22s and haven't had this issue, and I much prefer them to the FS Mini, which i also have and use. If you don't wanna go with the edelrid one or the nano 22, your next best option would be either the BD OZ/Hoodwire at 28g or the small Petzl Ange, also 28g.

Thanks Eli. I've been having good luck with the Nanos too, and when I fiddled with the Edelrid in the shop that one felt just way too small to handle easily. I feel like I did have to modify the way I clip slightly with the Nanos, but whatever the modification was it was no biggie because I don't even notice anything when I use them now, except for thinking, "damn, these things are light!" More than a third less than my neutrinos, actually. Not too psyched on falling with an open gate, though!

are the edelrid ones smaller than the 22s? I've never really had an issue clipping small biners, partially because I have small hands and partially because my first set of draws, the draws I learned to lead on, were the trango phases, which a small to mid sized biner. That being said, I often force my partners to use my gear so about half of my draws and most of my racking biners are mid-sized to full size biners. A few of my partners were climbing long before smaller biners came out and refuse to use anything other than a full size biners to clip the rope, so I can empathize with some people's need to have a full size biner.

eli poss wrote:are the edelrid ones smaller than the 22s? I've never really had an issue clipping small biners, partially because I have small hands and partially because my first set of draws, the draws I learned to lead on, were the trango phases, which a small to mid sized biner. That being said, I often force my partners to use my gear so about half of my draws and most of my racking biners are mid-sized to full size biners. A few of my partners were climbing long before smaller biners came out and refuse to use anything other than a full size biners to clip the rope, so I can empathize with some people's need to have a full size biner.

I wasn't too systematic about it, but when I was comparing the two in the shop the Edelrid felt like it wasn't going to work at all, whereas the nano felt like only a minor adjustment. I have bigger but not huge hands, typically wear an xl glove.