Music Box 

The guide has this route at eight. Locker and I have it at 10a. It's an excellent route: good protection all the way and quite sustained.

I have done this route before and remembered it from the past as being more difficult than 5.8. Today while climbing it I debated with Woody if 5.9+ might suit it better because 5.9+ can be almost anything from 5.9 to 5.10d out here... So ambiguous... But after taking a few good ones, I even decked one at the start, I thing I agree with the Woodman... Whatever you want to rate it, with all of the other climbs on the same formation, it is well worht the longer drive to do them... And don't forget to do "That Old Soft Shoe"...It could be that we were just pumped from doing other routes I suppose...maybe Woody, we could go do it fresh and see???...

"The hardest 5.8 in the park!"

There is a trick to it and it may be height or hand size dependent.I've always felt 5.8 was fair, but nobody else did.

Difficult climbing for me down low. Borderline off-width.

This route sucks ass. I'm willing to entertain the idea that I climbed it on a bad day, and the crack usually isn't as slick. I found slimy, flared "jams" for a good section of the bottom. A climb to miss for sure. Did I mention this climb sucks ass?

Lots and lots of BD #3's helps with this climb

Was in the area so I decided to be fair and give it another shot. My opinion still stands, the slimy flared jams are terrible. This route is all yours Obi, I will never set hand in it again.