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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 22, 2013
Mattberr wrote:
What about five ten?? I just bought a pair of moccasyms and anasazi high tops and they have a made in USA tag on them...


you know, i dont actually know if they manufacture in the US or if they do what Evolv does and just assemble here. I assumed they shopped it out, but i may well be mistaken there.

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By Khoi
From Vancouver, BC
Apr 22, 2013
John Wilder wrote:
Metolius makes all of its hardgoods here.


Take another look at their carabiners. I think they are all made in Taiwan now.

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Apr 22, 2013
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So long as it works, frankly Shirly, I couldn't give a fuck where it's made.

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By Matt N
From Santa Barbara, CA
Apr 22, 2013
OTL
If you want to be American, make sure you have car payments and credit card debt. Proudly display that Chinese-made 'merican flag.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 22, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
Matt N wrote:
If you want to be American, make sure you have car payments and credit card debt. Proudly display that Chinese-made 'merican flag.


Hehe...

I buy products from European manufacturers when I can afford it. Petzl, Sportiva (although some of their cheaper models are being manufactured in Asia now...), Mammut, ETC. Some American made things, such as Therma-rest, MSR (just verified) are great quality. My Dragonfly stove has been bringing the heat for like 10 years now without fail.

I was thoroughly disappointed with the durability of my 5.10 Huecos this year though...shoddy quality! My Sportiva boots are outstanding, though, and pretty much take whatever kind of abuse I dish out to them.

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By Matt Roberts
From Columbus, OH
Apr 22, 2013
Hittin' Miguel's with the new Chimps in tow
While I hate to wade into this (I climb to get away from my day job, which is teaching economics) I feel I can at least add that all sportiva shoes are now made in Italy. They did outsource some, but they weren't happy w/ the results & brought them back in house. This re-insourcing, in fact, is the primary reason some of their models have been so back-ordered of late.

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Apr 22, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
Matt Roberts wrote:
While I hate to wade into this (I climb to get away from my day job, which is teaching economics) I feel I can at least add that all sportiva shoes are now made in Italy. They did outsource some, but they weren't happy w/ the results & brought them back in house. This re-insourcing, in fact, is the primary reason some of their models have been so back-ordered of late.


Very good to hear...any source?

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By Chuck Weber
From my van
May 10, 2013
@ NYclimber - from those of us that work at US-based manufacturers, let me applaud your efforts and just say Thank You!

Simply said, it truly is a world market these days and anything with super high % labor cost is nearly impossible to be 100% US-made and cost-competitive at the same time. I mean just try to find a "Made in US" label in Wal-Mart. In general it is certainly true that many US-based companies import their own designs that are made off-shore, but many of these same companies ALSO produce products right here on US soil w/ US labor and PAY Uncle Sam his big cut... so just know that a brand name does not always 100% equal country of origin and things change from year to year for many companies.

I just hope you keep checking the labels and ask. If you look you will find... classic capitalism - buyer's choice. I still try to buy my Mandarin Oranges from Thai or Philippine factories instead of Chinese (ironic of course), which is hard and sometimes I leave the store w/o my oranges, but they're out there and I actually enjoy looking for them... it matters to me - just like I choose to buy my gas from companies that do not purchase oil from unfriendly nations. Thanks for your support!

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By Jason4
May 15, 2013
As an employee of an American manufacturer I thank you for making the effort to buy American made products. I also had the opportunity to live and work in Europe and saw the benefits of their protectionist laws.

It's impossible to buy 100% American made and still enjoy the benefits of cutting edge climbing gear but it is worth being aware of where your dollars are going.

Lately I've been on somewhat of a craft-made kick and have been happy to buy Cilo packs, Karakoram bindings, and I've talked to some of the guys that press the snowboards that I ride.

And yes, my rack has made in XXX markings from all over the world and yes I do shop at REI for stuff that I'm taking a chance on liking but I try to buy most of my stuff at a couple of local gear shops even though the cost is higher. They can't be replaced when I realize that I want something high end that REI doesn't carry at 730pm for a climb the next day.

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By frankstoneline
May 15, 2013
skitch wrote:
I recently bought a metolius safe tech harness because it was made in the USA and I was hoping it would be super durable, unfortunately it is hands down the most uncomfortable harness I've ever owned.


Off topic, but which model? I've been climbing in their safetech sporto harness and I love the dang thing. super light, I dont even realize I'm wearing it and it's comfy enough to hang in to set or belay as long as it isnt hour long marathon belays.

On the topic of made in the USA goods and the folks razzing the OP about his car and shit, his effort shouldnt be invalidated because he happens to own items that aren't american made, making conscious decisions on what gear he buys is better than not thinking about it at all.

I thought I read somewhere (me memory is foggy) that black diamond was assembling overseas?

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By Matt Roberts
From Columbus, OH
May 15, 2013
Hittin' Miguel's with the new Chimps in tow
Ben Brotelho wrote:
Very good to hear...any source?


Rep told me. Haven't looked at any of the new Tarantulas coming through to verify, but I can sure attest to nasty backorders last winter.

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By Cultivating Mass
May 17, 2013
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
I love people beating their chests about how they drive shitty Fords that were, without their knowledge, assembled in Mexico, while my union brothers over in South Carolina put money into their pensions every day making Tacomas that will never die.

The emporer is not wearing jack shit.

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By Voormi
From Pagosa Springs, CO
May 28, 2013
Voormi's products are all sourced from US materials, we use Rocky Mountain Highcountry Merino wool and sew everything here in the United States.

Inside label on a Voormi High E hoodie
Inside label on a Voormi High E hoodie

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By mitchy
From nunya gotdamn business.
May 28, 2013
Stitch, take a look at Misty Mountain Harnesses. I bought a Cadillac a coupla years ago and LOVE it.

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By Christiney
From Wheat Ridge, CO
May 28, 2013
Horseman
I like buying American, but yes it's tough to find. Part of that is the American companies are the ones outsourcing. Using foreign factories improves the American company's bottom line and the owners (may be small startups) or executives (in a larger company), make more money, at the cost to mfg jobs.

The foreign factories are not to blame - just filling a demand. However, it does hurt US manufacturing (aw rust belt). The American companies who started farming this out to get a price advantage (for the consumer) started it, and now this trend makes it hard for a company to be competitive using only US Labor, especially with larger quanitites when econimics of scale override the shipping cost, etc.

My question is, why not just use homeless people? I see them everywhere. I know Omega Pacific used convicts, but in this case maybe we can have a welfare system where instead of just giving money, welfare subsidizes low "overseas comparable" wages, to get to minimum wage rates. As long as the homeless aren't the mental ones, that would be scary gear to climb on.

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By Jason Kim
From San Diego, CA
May 28, 2013
Descending Cox Col (Bear Creek Spire). Photo by Ryan Slaybaugh. <br />
I own a small manufacturing business and continue to eke out a decent living while almost all my competitors have turned to overseas labor. It's tough. I can assure you that turning to the homeless is not a viable solution. That's just silly.

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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
May 28, 2013
El Chorro
Chuck Weber wrote:
...just like I choose to buy my gas from companies that do not purchase oil from unfriendly nations...


So which nations, exactly, qualify as "friendly?"

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By AlanJ
From Longmont, CO
May 28, 2013
Thats me after a pretty stiff 5.7 or as the locals have come to call it...a lake 5.7
this entire thread just made me depressed.

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By Jason4
Jun 4, 2013
Ryan Williams wrote:
So which nations, exactly, qualify as "friendly?"


Canada.

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