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By NYClimber
From New York
Apr 22, 2013
Awesome slab climb right out of the water! Rogers ...
OK,
Like many American's these days I would prefer to - if possible - buy as much climbing gear as I can manufactured entirely and/or assembled in the USA. I know this IS going to be pretty difficult - I know we have some rope manufacturers here in the USA but am wondering about hardware as well (carabiners, nuts, cams).

I know that BD has farmed out the assby of their cams and such to China I believe - just wondering what companies might still be doing all of their production and assby HERE in the USA any longer?

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Apr 22, 2013
Metolius and Yates?

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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Apr 22, 2013
divnamite wrote:
Metolius and Yates?


You better check the label on metolius. I'm not sure about the hardware, but a lot of things I buy from Metolius say they were made overseas which hurts my soul.

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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Apr 22, 2013
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after...
Just out of curiosity, are all the appliances and all the parts in your car completely American manufactured and assembled as well? I'm not saying that it isn't a noble pursuit to seek indigenously manufactured and assembled items- is is for sure.

I often find though, that it is more difficult than one thinks to go All-American so to speak.

I'll probably get flamed for this by a few, but I am no longer American-specific. I've had two American cars crap out on me. A Ford Taurus, and a Ford Mustang GT to be specific. Numerous repairs, falling apart just as the warranty ran out, not so great gas mileage, etc. I currently drive a 2000 Civic with 230k that gets 37mpg that I bought for $1900 3 years ago.

I go for what is most economical for me in the long run. I think it should be the goal and indeed is the responsibility of American companies to remain competitive by actually BEING competitive and putting out good products. From what I can see with most things, foreign companies are at the very least as good as American companies, and many of them are better and more economically sound investments.

I don't feel unpatriotic because I don't buy strictly American. I feel like these companies should not take advantage of patriotism and just assume Americans will "buy American" even though an inferior product is offered. Luckily for guys like you, Metolius (cams) and Yates make outstanding products. Bluewater as well.

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Apr 22, 2013
Stoked...
Not sure but Trango maybe?

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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 22, 2013
NYClimber wrote:
I know that BD has farmed out the assby of their cams and such to China I believe - just wondering what companies might still be doing all of their production and assby HERE in the USA any longer?


BD has not 'farmed' out assembly of their cams. Black Diamond manufactures and assembles all of their own product. They assemble all of their cams in China at Black Diamond China- a plant they own and operate. For the record.

That said- pretty much all softgoods (harnesses, slings, etc) except for Misty Mountain will be made overseas (and I'm pretty sure Misty doesnt make their slings).

Sterling Rope, BlueWater rope, and New England Rope are all made in the USA. I dont know about the webbing those companies make- I dont think its made here in the states.

Metolius makes all of its hardgoods here.

Black Diamond produces most of their carabiners, crampons, etc here. (And many of the parts for their hardgoods).

Trango- nope, all their stuff is made in either Italy or the Czech Republic.

Shoes might be impossible, the closest you could get would be high end Sportivas, which are made in Italy. Evolv does all assembly in the US, but the uppers are all made overseas.

Yates does all their stuff here, as does FISH. Again, not sure where they obtain their webbing and such- I honestly dont know if John or Russ have webbing manufacturing capabilities. I would highly doubt it- I assume they source their webbing from wherever Sterling (and maybe Bluewater, although they may make theirs, i dont know) does.

If you want to stay with non-Asian countries because somehow non-Asian countries are better than Asian ones, you can go with Edelrid (Germany and Italy, except harnesses (Vietnam) or Petzl (France, Italy, except harnesses, which I think are made somewhere else now, but I'm blanking on where- somewhere in Asia), Edelweiss is made in Europe. DMM/Wild Country- Wales and England.

All helmets are made in China by one manufacturer, so I guess you'll go without head protection.

Asana, Revolution, Organic- except for Mad Rock all crash pads are made stateside, as shipping basically forces that.

Krieg's custom bags are made in the states.

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By Schalk
Apr 22, 2013
Isn't it better to just buy the best gear, regardless of where it is made?

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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Apr 22, 2013
Stoked...
John Wilder wrote:
Trango- nope, all their stuff is made in either Italy or the Czech Republic.


Cool thnx...

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By Jonathan Dull
From Boone, NC
Apr 22, 2013
Upper pitches on Crescent Tower, Bugaboos.
For all my "soft gear" needs ( i.e. harnesses, aiders, slings, etc.) I buy from Misty Mountain. They make the most comfortable harnesses around, I wear the Cadillac in particular due the fact that its super comfortable and has six gear loops, makes for the perfect trad harness. I live and climb in Boone and have met the owners and been to the factory (pretty much a big cabin in the woods), so I can confidently say that all gear made is in North Carolina by North Carolinians being paid a respectable living wage. When looking for a comfortable, durable, safe and all around great product made in the USA there is no competition in my opinion. Go Misty, you will not be disappointed.

mistymountain.com

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By The Stoned Master
Administrator
From Pennsylvania
Apr 22, 2013
Day Lily.
Welcome to the new global market, global economy! Manufacturing lines are blurred now. Some parts made here, and some parts made there...

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By Jonathan Dull
From Boone, NC
Apr 22, 2013
Upper pitches on Crescent Tower, Bugaboos.
John Wilder wrote:
(and I'm pretty sure Misty doesnt make their slings). .


FALSE, I have been to the factory, seen the slings sewn, and seen them tested until breaking point.

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Apr 22, 2013
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protec...
Jonathan Dull wrote:
FALSE, I have been to the factory, seen the slings sewn, and seen them tested until breaking point.


i think he was referencing the webbing source not so much the manufacturing

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By reboot
From Westminster, CO
Apr 22, 2013
you can always try to find some dimpled CCH Aliens off of ebay.

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By Jonathan Dull
From Boone, NC
Apr 22, 2013
Upper pitches on Crescent Tower, Bugaboos.
rock_fencer wrote:
i think he was referencing the webbing source not so much the manufacturing


Good point, in this case I can not say for sure.

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By danny m
From All over
Apr 22, 2013
Ancient Art, UT
don't forget about Wired Bliss. Use to be made in Flagstaff, AZ but I think they moved to CO either way there still made in the US

wiredblissusa.com/]]http://www...

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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Apr 22, 2013
Middle
John Wilder wrote:
Metolius makes all of its hardgoods here.


Not so much.

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By NYClimber
From New York
Apr 22, 2013
Awesome slab climb right out of the water! Rogers ...
No - I am not saying that I ONLY will buy American - as we know that's virtually impossible and unrealistic.

Just trying to support jobs in the USA is all - keep Americans at work here is all...is it helps.

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By Tosch Roy
Apr 22, 2013
Selfie
Like Wilder said...

Metolius manufactures all of its hardgoods and all of its safety softgoods in the US. Their bags and stuff are made in Vietnam. This info being directly from the source.

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By Malcolm Daly
From Boulder, CO
Apr 22, 2013
Don't forget Omega Pacific. I think everything they make is domestic.

Like many manufacturers,Trango sources production to whoever can do the best job. Bigbros, Cinch, the B-52, Squid, RackTags and UltraTape sewing is USA. Cams, BallNutz and ice tools and some of the carabiners come from Korea. Other carabiners are made in Italy. UltraTape webbing comes from France. And so it goes.

SMC is completely manufactured in the USA.

That's said, we now live in a world economy. My '03 Toyota Tacoma, and every other Tacoma was made in the USA.

Climb Safe,
Mal

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Apr 22, 2013
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"I honestly dont know if John or Russ have webbing manufacturing capabilities"


I was at Russ' place about a month back and as amazing as it seems, he does in fact have webbing manufacturing capabilities.

Huge machine! Takes up almost the entire FISH compound.

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By doligo
Apr 22, 2013
Jose Cuervo Fruitcups dirtbag style
Out of curiosity, do you buy everything at small Mom-n-Pop shops or buy things at REIs, Walmarts and Home Depots of the World?

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By teece303
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Apr 22, 2013
Aiding. Photo by Locker.
The two Trango Pyramids I have say "Made in Korea" right on them, and they date from the mid-nineties. So I' don't think they are "safe" at all if Made In America is your goal.

But it's not really l something I think much about.

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By Mattberr
From utah
Apr 22, 2013
uintas
John Wilder wrote:
Shoes might be impossible, the closest you could get would be high end Sportivas, which are made in Italy.

What about five ten?? I just bought a pair of moccasyms and anasazi high tops and they have a made in USA tag on them...

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By Price
From SLC, UT
Apr 22, 2013
Evolv climbing shoes are US assembled. They actually fit US sizes as well.

A lot of Petzl's carabiners are made here, including the spirit.

Can confirm that Metolius makes hard goods here in the US, but their plastic holds and hangboards come from China.

Isn't the whole "Buy Local" just a bit of prideful xenophobia anyway?

Bluewater makes the best ropes in the world down in Georgia.

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By ZackBay
Apr 22, 2013
By Rap Rings
The "Buy American" theory sounds good in theory however It may end up doing more harm that good. It all has to do with opportunity cost and specialization. Here is a pretty good read on some of the principles

aspendailynews.com/section/hom...

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By GhaMby
From Heaven
Apr 22, 2013
In the last few years I've been on a made in USA kick, especially clothes and shoes I wear to work.

I recently bought a metolius safe tech harness because it was made in the USA and I was hoping it would be super durable, unfortunately it is hands down the most uncomfortable harness I've ever owned.

I was thinking about USA Manufacturing the other day, and I thought the following: Clothing manufacturing is one of the shittiest jobs in the USA, but in a lot of developing nations it would be considered one of the best jobs a person could hope to get.

So am I more concerned with having a tag that says my clothing was made by an American than I am about raising the standard of living in other countries?

I still prefer certain Items made in the USA, like "casual" shoes, but that is because they tend to be made out of materials that last longer (read about the difference between full grain leather and corrected grain leather, or why a goodyear welt is so great!). It's also because well made shoes pretty much only come from the USA or Europe and the USA is typically cheaper.

putthison.com/post/308306580/l...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welt_%28...

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