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Bruce Lee 

Hueco: V8 Font: 7B

   
Type:  Boulder, 20'
Consensus:  Hueco: V8 Font: 7B [details]
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Submitted By: Andy Liu on Oct 14, 2012

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Bruce Lee (V8).

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Stand start and climb the arete starting from the left side. You may need to stack a couple pads to get off the ground.

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By Andy Liu
From: Mammoth Lakes, CA
Oct 14, 2012

By Will S
From: Joshua Tree
Oct 15, 2012

Did you post this just to put up yet another video of yourself? How about some location beta and other pertinent details? This entry is basically useless if you don't already know where to find the problem.
By juancho
Oct 22, 2012

“Did you post this just to put up yet another video of yourself?”

Did you post this comment just to cop an attitude yet again?

The only difference between Andy Liu and ElCapinhisass is that Andy actually sends the problems in his videos.

Oh wait, and Andy doesn’t have an attitude.

Oh… and Andy doesn’t immediately question the classic-ness of every climb he fails on.

Weak.

supertopo.com/tr/Valley-Daze/t...

Hey Andy – your clips are way inspiring.
By Will S
From: Joshua Tree
Oct 22, 2012

"Juancho", I posted the comment because the entry is incomplete and has little to no useful information. If you are going to enter routes/problems, it is incumbent on you to provide the best information possible. Otherwise the database is subpar. This entry would do nothing to help you locate this problem.

When I enter new routes/problems, I attempt to provide the best information possible. I expect others to do the same in the spirit of building the best database possible.
By RAZORsharp
From: Carlsbad CA
Nov 12, 2012

"Will S"
Get a guide book. Re-posting guidebook info on this site is what most people do anyway. There are alternative approaches to asking someone who added a new route to add some helpful beta. You flat out attacked him.
By J. Albers
From: Colorado
Nov 12, 2012

Sheesh.

Will didn't "flat out attack" the author of this page. What he did do was point out the relevant and well taken point that this page is more or less a useless entry to the MP database. When you enter a route, you NEED to enter information on how to find the climb....and adding a few words about the route sure makes for a better route description than "climb up". Moreover, entering a route or area without posting even the minimum details needed to find the climb is doubly annoying and lazy because it prevents someone who does want to do a good job from entering the route themselves.

And telling someone to "get a guidebook" because people just copy from the guidebook anyway is not a good argument because: (1) copying from the guidebook is plagiarism (and super lame); and (2) the mission of MP is to "go beyond the guidebook" (i.e. enter information you can't find in a guidebook or anywhere else).
By Osprey
From: ...
Nov 13, 2012

The comments section is a great place to post additional information not included in the original route listing.
By Bryan G
From: San Jose
Nov 14, 2012

(2) the mission of MP is to "go beyond the guidebook" (i.e. enter information you can't find in a guidebook or anywhere else).

Hmmm, something you can't find in the guidebook? You mean, like... a video clip?
By skinny legs and all
From: Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania
Apr 8, 2013

Personally, I really enjoy Andy's videos of his sends.