I know how to tie a bowline and though the tie in loops too.. but how do i finish the knot with a stopper knot- kinda like the double fisherman after a figure 8 follow through. Anybody know what im talkin about>?

im not trying to impress anyone, just looking for a little less bulk..

Thanx keenan.. yosemite bowline was the key for my search.. thanx again folks

+1 on the bowline tie in.

that is all.

I start with the slipknot/poke-through/invert method of doing a bowline, then follow it back through the harness, follow through and finish with an overhand or sometimes a fisherman's.

Couldn't find a complete walkthrough for what i mean but here is a guy showing the first part of the knot:

Double palstek. Submitted By: Daryl Allan on Apr 4, 2008

Double palstek. Submitted By: Daryl Allan on Apr 22, 2008

I used to use the bowline a lot climbing in the gym and sport climbing, but I don't really understand why people think its preferable to a figure 8. It has a record of coming untied at inopportune times, and its not as easy to check.

Sure, its a little easier to untie, but are figure 8's really that hard to untie after some average sized falls?

I switched back to using an 8 exclusively.

Bowline is not only the most superior knot, it makes you look cool too. I get tons of crag-hags just because I tie in with the bowline.

The force it would take to make a properly tied bowline fail would rip a body in half.

I wrap two loops. Bunny goes in the hole around the tree and back out the hole the opposite way. Then I put a fisherman's knot behind the two loops.(not a double fisherman's, that is for connecting two ends of a rope)

Bomber

If you dont want the figure 8 to be bulky, don't tie it like a moron. If you want to be able to untie it after you fall, get stronger. that is all.

I switched to the Yosemite Bowline after reading Craig Connally's explanation in The Mountaineering Handbook about why he has been using it for decades:
- fastest to tie
- easiest to untie, especially when wet or frozen
- easiest to tie quickly and correctly, in the dark, in the rain, or with one hand
- strongest
- simplest, so easiest to inspect by skilled practitioners
- secure against triaxial loading (unlike the 8)

The only disadvantage compared to the 8 is that it is not familiar to most climbers, so you need to double-check your tie-in yourself.

When you learn to tie it with a flip of the wrist and weave, you don't need to remember any of that "rabbit out of the hole and around the tree" stuff.

Oh, and the bowline stopper knot is a superior rappel stopper knot -- quick, secure, and bulky (just tie an overhand, and weave the tag end around the standing end and back through the overhand).

funny how the bowline is so much better that people feel the need to tie it twice to make sure it doesn't slip or come untied. Quite a bit more bulky than a figure 8 once you've re-traced the thing as well...

So you all think the bowline is clearly superior, but somehow has been rejected by the majority of climbers?

Another benefit to the bowline is that once untied from the harness, it is untied completely. No remaining knot in the rope to worry about - I'm sure we've all had the pleasure of someone pulling the rope but having forgot to remove the other half of a figure 8.