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Dec 22, 2011
Hola-

Heading out to Red Rocks and would love to do a quick lap on Epinephrine while I'm there, but while knowing that it's a cold canyon this time of year, does the wall get any direct sun?

Even for a hour or two a day? And if so, anyone know approx what time of the day that would happen?

Thanks!
bdboulder
From Eldorado
Joined Oct 11, 2006
127 points
Dec 22, 2011
You will be in the chimneys and thus the shade until after pitch 5 and by then, even if there were going to be any sun on the route, the sun would be behind the wall. November 2011 at about noon for this picture, just above the chimneys, note the shade.
I believe this is the Elephant Trunk pitch.
Above the chimneys around noon in November.
Above the chimneys around noon in November.
thedogfather
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Dec 16, 2006
121 points
Dec 22, 2011
Whaaaat?
Over the next ~3 days (winter equinox) the sun will be at its lowest point in the horizon, or dead. After three days the sun will begin to rise, bringing longer days and more light.

If it sounds familiar, that's because it is. We celebrate "the son's" birth on December 25th, after 3 days of being dead. On the same day the "sun" begins to rise from its lowest point in the horizon. Christianity is rooted in Paganism.

To answer your question, there is more shade now than at any other point in the year.
BackCountry
From Ogden, UT
Joined Oct 29, 2009
421 points
Dec 22, 2011
What a bizarre post. Anyway, Epinephrine gets ZERO sun this time of year. I've been in Black Velvet every other day for the last week and there is no sun at all on any routes on the north side of the canyon. Josh Janes
Joined Jun 8, 2001
7,812 points
Dec 22, 2011
Josh Janes wrote:
What a bizarre post. Anyway, Epinephrine gets ZERO sun this time of year. I've been in Black Velvet every other day for the last week and there is no sun at all on any routes on the north side of the canyon.


Darn! I was hoping for at least a couple of hours... Is it still climbable in there Josh, or have you been up to something other than free climbing the past week?
bdboulder
From Eldorado
Joined Oct 11, 2006
127 points
Dec 22, 2011
depends on your tolerance for the cold- i would guess not with temps hovering around 50 degrees for the high.

epi can be climbed in the winter, you just need decent temps and no wind.
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,394 points
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Dec 22, 2011
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BackCountry wrote:
Over the next ~3 days (winter equinox) the sun will be at its lowest point in the horizon, or dead....

As a side note, the FA was done at this time of the year, so you would be in good company. And they had no pins, no bolts, no cams, and just a single half-bag for their bivouac.
Larry DeAngelo
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Nov 1, 2002
4,039 points
Dec 22, 2011
The Seward Highway is really beautiful.
BackCountry wrote:
Over the next ~3 days (winter equinox)



winter solstice is the term i think. equinox is in between solstices.

Temps are on the rise though. Could be fine in the shade. The solstice = short days though, so "a quick lap" would have to be in order.
Brian Prince
From morro bay, ca
Joined Mar 30, 2010
683 points
Dec 22, 2011
Haul Bag
BDergay wrote:
would love to do a quick lap on Epinephrine


Judging by the number of bivy sites I've seen at the top a lot of people's quick laps on Epinephrine have turned into Epics. You have only so many hours of light this time of year so make sure you're confident on your ability to lead quickly and scope the descent from the ground if you haven't done Frogland already. That being said it's an awesome route, have a blast.
Matt Marino
From Georgetown, MA
Joined Jan 4, 2010
17 points
Dec 22, 2011
Is there any snow on the descent? bdboulder
From Eldorado
Joined Oct 11, 2006
127 points
Dec 22, 2011
the ridge gets sun all day, so it should be dry. there may be some snow on the exit ramp, and at the very top of the route crossing the saddle to the ridge, though. John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,394 points
Dec 22, 2011
Whaaaat?
Brian Prince wrote:
winter solstice is the term i think. equinox is in between solstices.


Yep! I stand corrected.
BackCountry
From Ogden, UT
Joined Oct 29, 2009
421 points
Dec 22, 2011
Third pillar of dana descent.
epinephrine is a great route. if your worried about not making it to the top just bring two ropes. not as committing as most say especially if you have climbed in yosemite and there are a lot of opportunities to bail. Rob Fielding
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined May 8, 2011
259 points


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