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Betty 

YDS: 5.3 French: 3+ Ewbanks: 10 UIAA: III ZA: 9 British: VD 3a

   
Type:  Trad, 2 pitches, 150'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.3 French: 3+ Ewbanks: 10 UIAA: III ZA: 9 British: VD 3a [details]
FA: Betty Woolsey and Fritz Wiessner, 1941
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Submitted By: Bob Hayes on Feb 17, 2007

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Description 

This is an old route with some historic significance. Dick Williams notes that this was the first route in the Gunks with a female FA.

The first pitch is straightforward. Go up the wide crack (face holds abound), and through the mellow overhang to stand on the spacious belay ledge. Tree and gear for anchor.

The second pitch is less obvious, but it's tough to get into real trouble. Climb up a left-facing corner and chimney. From here, whether you stay right in the chimney systems, or traverse left onto the nose and face (fun!), the climbing is similar in difficulty and pro is reasonably available. The exposure on the nose variation is nice.

Descent: Easy walk-off via Uberfall Descent. There are often rappel rings on the top tree, but the rappel is tangly and the many ledges have lots of pebbles - it's quicker, easier, and safer to walk off, especially on a crowded weekend.


Location 

This route is located just right of the Jackie area, and just before Matinee. It's the obvious easy-looking wide crack next to Raubenheimer Special, and is about 1 minute past the Uberfall.


Protection 

Standard Gunks rack.



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Group shot at the top of betty.
Group shot at the top of betty.
James working his way up Betty while Meghan a waits her turn.
James working his way up Betty while Meghan a wait...
Looking down P1.
Looking down P1.
Erica starting up Betty.
Erica starting up Betty.
Autumn's very first outdoor climb...
Autumn's very first outdoor climb...
the wife on one of her first leads
the wife on one of her first leads
Paul Deagle - Betty 5.3
Paul Deagle - Betty 5.3
P1 of Betty. My first trad lead...following in the tradition of this climb being the first female FA in the Gunks.
BETA PHOTO: P1 of Betty. My first trad lead...following in the...
Tom's first pitch of trad climbing, cleaned like a beast!
Tom's first pitch of trad climbing, cleaned like a...
Top half of P1 of Betty. At te Gunks, you have to pull a rough even at 5.3!
BETA PHOTO: Top half of P1 of Betty. At te Gunks, you have to ...
starting up the 2nd pitch
starting up the 2nd pitch
Diana at the top of Betty.
Diana at the top of Betty.
First pitch of Betty
BETA PHOTO: First pitch of Betty
Paul Deagle - Betty 5.3
Paul Deagle - Betty 5.3
Shirley nearing the top of the first pitch.
Shirley nearing the top of the first pitch.
The start of Betty
BETA PHOTO: The start of Betty
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By doligo
Nov 17, 2009
rating: 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a

Finally climbed it on a soggy Sunday - because there was finally nobody on the route. An ok route, don't think it's worth waiting for on a nice day - there are way better 5.3s in the Gunks. Scary when wet though - any slip and you may end up with a broken ankle - it's ledges all they way up...

By Barrett Stetson
Aug 29, 2010

There was a yellow jackets nest just at the top of the first chimney about 3 ft from the ledge. I think the spot I wanted to go up was the small roof directly above the yellow jackets nest but the book said head right and so instead traversed right about 30 ft to head up some other chimney. I don't think this was on route (maybe) and the very top section felt harder than 5.3 (but it's the Gunks and they have their own rating system apparently, so who knows). The pro was good enough including a big tree and a pin or two one of which I was able to back up the other not.

By Alicia Sokolowski
From: Brooklyn, NY
Sep 4, 2011
rating: 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a

I have done p2 three different ways, and IMHO, the best finish for my taste is to go straight up from the p2 belay toward the notch in the rock visible clearly overhead. This is a variation, not the original route. The chimney always seemed wet to me.

By Kevin Heckeler
From: Upstate New York
Oct 23, 2011
rating: 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a PG13

A pitch-2 variation I've done twice is to work up the chimney, then at its top move left (very short traverse) and then up a book, then face climb to the anchors. Going to the right causes drag over the edge of the chimney and nothing over there looks clean or obvious anyway. P2 has some great exposed moves coming out of the chimney for the grade.

By JSH
Administrator
Oct 25, 2011

Kevin, that's what I've most often done, and it is nice. The nose is nice & a bit exposed, and you can also climb the open-book to the right at the top, all about the same grade.

It's possible to link the whole route in one pitch, if you sling things very carefully and follow the nose at the top.

By kenr
Mar 22, 2012

I agree that the most fun and esthetic way to do P2 is to step left at the top of the first chimney, then thru the semi-notch and up the prow to the top. It's more direct, more exposed, and has cleaner rock. Perhaps the prow takes a bit more thought to protect (with a range of cams in horizontal cracks).

I'd rate Betty as 3-stars with this "direct" P2 variation, only 2-stars without it.

The initial off-width crack system has a couple of moves where the footwork is fairly subtle, and lots of people have to semi-mantle or other less-elegant-feeling improvizations. After that it's almost all fun positive holds (if take the multiply-recommended Left variation for P2).

Note that the first chimney on P2 could be skipped entirely by going more left immediately off the P1 belay (just above the little overhang) somewhere thru or alongside a big flake system. My memory from last year is this seemed like nice climbing, but significantly harder than the chimney, and likely not so well protected.

By Kevin Heckeler
From: Upstate New York
Jul 22, 2013
rating: 5.3 3+ 10 III 9 VD 3a PG13

Ken, it is true people often climb the face just to the left of the chimney at the first belay. Quality/fun isn't as good, and absent is that sweet exposed feeling exit from the chimney.

I've also combined both pitches a few times now, and if you stay on the left above the chimney (notch/open book) it's almost a straight line to the belay at the base so rope drag is very much minimized.

By PTR
From: GA
Nov 7, 2013

We did this in 3 pitches. P2 went up chimney on right and then right and up into a nice belay alcove with a stout tree. This reduced rope drag and allowed for better communication. Nice few moves leaving the alcove and climbing the face and arete to the top.

By kenr
Jun 3, 2014

Did a P2 variation which skips the fun unique first chimney of P2. Sharon liked it so much she asked to be lowered back in to climb it again. Seemed like 5.6- and protection seemed typical Gunks placing cams in horizontal cracks.

Left Direct Nose P2 variation:
From the P1 belay ledge, start about 15-20 feet left from the chimney corner, a bit left of the nose. Diagonal right (loose block as of 2014) onto the nose and straight up it (passing left of the notch with tree, which is on the more fun finish variation for the "normal" P2 after exiting the first chimney).

The difficulty in the first 10-15 feet for this variation is required, but above that the harder moves on the nose can be avoided by staying to the left, which includes a remarkable large flake.