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By Unassigned User
May 18, 2012
This may have been covered in the past. But is all the beta needed on routes? I understand route finding stuff but if there is a roof with a crack going through it do we need a play by play of which hand to stick where? I have just been noticing that it is a lot more funner (yes I just said that) to figure out a route with a tricky move myself.

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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
May 18, 2012
Some people like more information. Some don't. If you don't like it, you can resist reading the descriptions and comments, and only look at the topos in guidebooks. That would help with your sense of adventure!

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By 1Eric Rhicard
May 19, 2012
It is a good sized roof. Photo: Jimbo
I live to onsight routes so I try not to read too much of a description if someone is giving away critical beta. I like it when folks warn to read no further or they will get the beta.

It is one of the things the site suggests when giving a description. Sometimes people giving play by play are just showing that they did the route. (Spraying)

I have been known to give more than needed when it involves a strange circumstance. The route that comes to mind is this one. mountainproject.com/v/its-a-wa...

I have tried to give climbers a clue in the name but one needs to climb so far left off the line of the bolts that I felt it would make the overall experience better. My experience with friends is that my stressing the need to wander way left still doesn't help.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
May 19, 2012
Bocan
On single pitch stuff I like to discuss beta with friends, but that's really just talking about climbing.

Multipitch, I like a lot of beta. Not that I don't have a sense of adventure, but I'd rather stay on the 5.6 route as opposed to finding myself in territory above my head. Or getting on the wrong climb which I'm sure everyone has done at least once or twice. "this feels harder than 5.7"!! That's because you're on the 5.9 route dummy. ;o)

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By Cultivating Mass
May 19, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Unsolicited beta is annoying. However, even that has its place. I have a buddy who got a raft of shit for spraying down some girl getting shakefesty on an old-school .9 when she hadn't put in pro right before the crux at 30+ft and was starting to Elvis. Got yelled at then and then asschewed on this site.

Bottom line is that the pro went in and no one ate it. Mission success in my book.

If you're on a site specifically created to go "beyond the guidebook" and reading paragraphs on the moves, gear, etc on a single climb, you're beta seeking at an Olympic level and should STFU about TMI while I LMFAO or possibly DTMFA.

(sigh) Fucked up my arm yesterday, forced rest day. Can ya tell?

Hey, John, why aren't you power-winching Big Dave up at the Creek today? Thought you'd be up there getting in on the fun-

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By Cultivating Mass
May 19, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Makes sense. I'm almost done with employment for awhile, if the unemployment kicks in strong I hope to get over there for a visit this summer. Thanks for kicking BD's ass into shape for RNWF, he's way psyched and has nothing but good things to say about you, even including your cold sore distribution-very even.

I miss having someone more disgusting than me around. Did he tell you what a Glass-Bottomed-Boat-Tour is? Amazing.

Off to empty the Netflix queue and clean the house.

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By Unassigned User
May 20, 2012
I personally don't read beta before hand (or I try not to). I was just out the other day and jumped on a route called master cylinder (too lazy to link it) in Santa Barbara. When I searched it in MP I found that it had a bunch of beta that for me was über fun to figure out myself. And so I thought what the heck, can't change the site why not alert others to how much fun problem solving can be.

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