Hello everyone,

I'm in the market for a new bag, at least -20, but hopefully closer to -30 or -40. What are your favorite cold weather bags in regard to warmth, weight, and cost?

I sleep cold, so the warmer the better - my 20 degree Kelty Lightyear sucks for me in milder weather, even in the 30s... so I've been needing a warmer bag for a while. I'm tired of suffering, it's time to live a little!

Synthetic would be nice, but I'm not too worried about getting down wet, as I use a dry sack and a tent anyway, shouldn't be a problem.

If you are going to be out in -20 to -40 degree weather, it can be legitimately dangerous...spend the extra cash and get a good bag. I would get a down bag for a ton of reasons, the least of which is that a -30 synthetic bag is going to be huge and heavy.

I own a Western Mountaineering bag and I would buy the same bag again if I had the chance. I have had my minus 30 degree bag for 8 years and I have had zero problems with it (and I use it at least 2 dozen times every year in very cold weather). Its warm, the baffling is fantastic, and the down has lost no noticeable loft in the years that I have owned it. Unfortunately, you are going to drop $500-800 for a bag like this. Pay attention where you buy it, because you can get a Western bag "overfilled" free of charge; essentially you are adding about 4-5 degrees for free. I have the Micro Fiber bag instead of the Gore DryLoft and I have never had problems with the down getting wet. In fact, I think it is more important to transfer body moisture outwards than to keep moisture from soaking in and because Micro Fiber is much more breathable than DryLoft, I think it is a better choice under most circumstances (and cheaper too). Furthermore, if you are already using a bivy sack, then having a DryLoft bag is really going to trap moisture and soak your bag.

However, as others will probably mention, there are other good bags out there. Feathered Friends and Marmot both make high quality down products. I would NOT buy anything from North Face; the worst bags I or any of my partners have owned have always been NF.

Well, it depends.

I've very happy with my Western Mountaineering bag (Puma GWS, rated to -25) but it wasn't cheap. If you're on a limited budget and you don't mind something that's a bit heavier and bulkier you could consider a store-brand -25 bag from REI or MEC in Canada for several hundred dollars less.

Also, there's quite a difference between a -25 bag and a -40. Are you planning an early springtime expedition to Denali or Logan? If so then you'll probably want a -40, but for most other purposes a -25 will be plenty warm (especially inside a bivi sack and a tent) and appreciably lighter and less bulky.

Listen to what has been said. Also keep in mind your Kelty is probably junk so don't judge ratings based on that. If you are seeing 10 or 5 degree temps, you don't need a -20 bag. You should be fine with a 0 degree with a brand like Western Mountaineering or Marmot who are conservative on their ratings.

Also note tents, bivys, and sleeping bag liners are all supposed to raise (lower?) the ratings five or ten degrees. I like to use a liner so body oils and dirt doesnt get into the down so I don't have to wash it as much.

And finally one way to make any sleeping bag luxurious when its cold out is to throw a hand warmer pack into the bottom. Those things RULE.

Check out the EMS mountain light...800 fill with a petex shell. Comes in reg and long. I got mine on a STEAL sale for like $200, but even now they are only about four bills. I'm from NE and I can tell ya...it gets COLD and even though they are like REI now, EMS does have alot of experience and nice gear. This is a steller bag for 1/2 the price.

Here's the long. Very nice bag.

www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3981926

Feathered Friends or Western Mountaineering........

Everything else is a waste of your money.......

I've owned Feathered Friends products for over 15 years, (the same Frontpoint Jacket) and yes you drop the dime, but my stuff has been worked hard, and still I consider my down jacket and bag as my best friends in the cold weather...

I get zero bags. then I only zip the thing up if it is freezing cold.
Down or synthetic it all works and keeps you warm.
Right now I have a Marmot and an REI synthetics, both work well.
Winter sleeping tips:
- A bag is no good w/o a good ground pad.I use my crash pad.
- for winter/cold camping always: eat before bed to have extra calories to burn on cold nights.
-Change your socks before bed. Clammy damp socks will get you.
- While camping and have to Pee. Don't hold it in get out and Pee. Your body has to work to keep those excess fluids warm.
- Don't overdress for bed. Once you get a good bag let it do its job. Too much cloths can trap warm air from circulating.
- Camp where you will get morning sun.

Good luck in the cold. We love it. Live to suffer.

So I was able to pick up a Marmot -40 for a great price, and happy I did. Great loft, and super warm! Thanks for the input everyone! I was hoping to get WM, but the price of the Marmot was much better, and seems like a great bag.

I've been climbing in cold conditions longer than I care to think about and the Marmot Col (-20F) has always worked great on Denali or in the Himalaya. The Puma by Western Mountaineering is also a grat bag. Western Mtng products are high value. The down is the highest quality, constuction is likewise.

Feathered Friends make good stuff also but I've had and also heard mixed reports with their bags. The higest quality bags, made from 900 loft down may not be as warm as they intend due to the down shifting and leaving cold spots. On one of my trips to Pakistan everyone in my group but for two of us, had FFbags and complained about them being a bit cold. The two of us had WM and MM bags and were super warm. I'd purchase WEstern Mountaineering if I had the cash.

Western Mountaineering or Valandre would be my top picks in terms of make. Unless you will be out for long periods without a VBL in extremely cold temps you will be best served by down.

It won't matter if you have a -100 bag if you don't have a quality insulated sleeping pad as well.

I used to use a moonstone down 800 fill bag with a snap in liner that was supposed to be a -15f bag. I used it on MT washington at -15 and was cold. I had a good ground pad.

A couple years ago I got a new North face solar flare 800 fill -20 bag for winter use. Sub 4lbs and has a few more inches of loft than the Moonstone. Very warm with a water resistant shell too.

for dry cold I would always go down

Marmot Never Summer zero bag

Western Mountaineering!! "because I want only the best between the elements and myself"

I'm a fan for down when it comes to sleeping bags. It's help me get away with using my Marmot in temps pretty far below my bag's rating. I have a long Marmot Sawtooth 15*, and have had good luck in the Andes and in New England. Packs small and is light. I have a fleece summer bag that I now use as a liner and is comfy. Ground pad is _super_ important for cold weather camping. You won't sleep if you're shivering cold all night, and I've had my share of nights like that (mostly pre-Marmot bag).

If you are looking for the best deal, MEC has a hybrid sleeping bag rated to -20 C. It's part down, more synthetic. Still takes up a lot of volume but saves a lot on cash.



www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/SleepingBags/SyntheticMummyBags/PRD~5>>>

I bought a Western Mountaineering Puma (-25) about 4 years ago when I started getting into back country skiing. It has to be on of the best purchases I have ever made. The quality difference between WM and Feathered Friends and the rest of the field is very noticeable when things go south on a trip. I have had trips where it never gets above -40 at night and people I am with in -40 bags from other companies are having a real miserable time in the snow cave. Cold weather bags can save your life and are worth dropping the extra money on, go for a WM or FF and you won't regret it.