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By Unassigned User
Jan 26, 2013
Trying to decided on some new ice tools. getting back into ice climbing after being retired for many years.

Wondering what people are having the best luck with?

My price range is around $220 per tool - or less if a sale perhaps.

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Thanks...

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By Jon H
From Boulder
Jan 26, 2013
At the matching crux
They're all good tools. Only way to decide is climb on them and see which you like the best.

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By Unassigned User
Jan 26, 2013
Jon H wrote:
They're all good tools. Only way to decide is climb on them and see which you like the best.


Well that would be kind hard Jon as I don't know of that many climbers who own all of the brands I am thinking about...

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By knowbuddy
Jan 26, 2013
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demo them from a store then. Its really the only way to know which ones you prefer

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By Sunny-D
From SLC, Utah
Jan 26, 2013
Top of Jah-Man Sister Superior
If you were in Utah and wanted to get out and try all the tools I could oblige you. With that said climbing one for one I will pass off all my other tools for the Cassin All Mountain. I know it is personal preference but I really think that it is the best tool on the market right now. It is really a great price too.
Dallen

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Jan 26, 2013
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
+1 for Cassin All mtn tools!

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By George Barnes
From Westminster, CO
Jan 26, 2013
Jones Pk
Petzl Nomics are the bees knees. On sale they might be close to your price point.

These are new and look interesting. Check out Dane's blog for a review.
trango.com/ice_gear/Raptor

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By Harry Richardson
Jan 26, 2013
+1 for X All Mountain...best tool in years for all around ice and mixed...just the right weight and shape...IMHO

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By coppolillo
Jan 26, 2013
i'm liking my Cassin X All-Mountains...

more on them here:

elevationoutdoors.com/blogs/ma...

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By cdec
From SLC and Moab, ut
Jan 26, 2013
Nomics over any BD tool. Haven't tried the cassin.

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By Koy
From Denver, CO
Jan 26, 2013
1st ice pitch above the Black Pyramid on 6/26/09.
Here you go:

blackdiamondequipment.com/en-u...

Tough to beat $133/each!

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
George Barnes wrote:
Petzl Nomics are the bees knees. On sale they might be close to your price point. These are new and look interesting. Check out Dane's blog for a review. trango.com/ice_gear/Raptor


George,
It seems like the Raptor got great reviews as well!

See: coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/...

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
Koy wrote:
Here you go: blackdiamondequipment.com/en-u... Tough to beat $133/each!


Koy - thanks! I love the price on the Reactor but not sure I'm 'digging' the grip and - I have not heard much from anyone who HAS them what they think about them honestly.

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
I also can get 2 BD Viper's for like $183 locally at EMS today with their 20% off sale going on which is a pretty good deal I think - so I may just pick up two of them and be done with it - that would be about the same price as the Trango's.

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By Keenan Waeschle
From Bozeman, MT
Jan 27, 2013
on top of the RNWF June 2012
vipers are not the bees knees. hold out for a set of nomics or quarks. should be able to find a set for under $400 used

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By Chris Snobeck
From Broomfield, CO
Jan 27, 2013
King Cobra
+1 for the X-All Mountains. They're right around your price point and IMO (and many others) are better than the Vipers, and rival the Nomics/Cobras. Not to mention, picks are $32...

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By Ben Brotelho
From Albany, NY
Jan 27, 2013
Epic free solo with a pack on
if Nomics are the bees knees, then the Quarks are the kitties' titties...I love them!

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
I just purchased 2 of the BD Viper's on sale at EMS for 20% off of List Price. They look good and I have always had good lukc with Chouinard (back in the day) and BD products!

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Jan 27, 2013
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
Good luck with your Vipers. I personally like the Cobras much more then those even though the difference is what the shafts are made out of. Doesn't mean those Vipers won't work you. I think the Reactors would have better choice if you don't have deep pockets though.

Why did you decide on the Vipers when nobody said they liked them. One said even said don't get them.

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
Because I had one before a very long time ago before I retired from ice climbing and I like it, and, they were in stock locally so I didn't have to screw around mail ordering. I have also had good luck with BD products before and that is why I selected them.

Also, everyone has a diff option on what they like and dislike, Even tho some don't like them I might I figure! I price was right and I need tools to climb this coming week!

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By Keenan Waeschle
From Bozeman, MT
Jan 27, 2013
on top of the RNWF June 2012
yeah, vipers are mediocre at best, I had a set last year and sold them halfway through the season to get nomics. More versatility if you end up climbing mixed and they're a dream for climbing steep ice. Vipers will work, but just aren't nearly as good.

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By Garret Nuzzo-Jones
From Salt Lake City, UT
Jan 27, 2013
Cleaning up in Jenny Lake.
I have Nomics and I love them. I had Quarks for part of the season last year and while they are a solid tool I found that the upper grip broke easily which made matching a pain in the ass.

My buddy has X-All mountains. They swing really well, have a great pick and an upper pommel rest so they're good on steep ice. Probably a slightly more versatile tool but ultimately I like the swing and especially the grip of the nomics more.

You can save quite a few bucks with the X-All mountains though!

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By Unassigned User
Jan 27, 2013
Garret Nuzzo-Jones wrote:
I have Nomics and I love them. I had Quarks for part of the season last year and while they are a solid tool I found that the upper grip broke easily which made matching a pain in the ass. My buddy has X-All mountains. They swing really well, have a great pick and an upper pommel rest so they're good on steep ice. Probably a slightly more versatile tool but ultimately I like the swing and especially the grip of the nomics more. You can save quite a few bucks with the X-All mountains though!


PS The Cassins looked nice but at $183 ea the BD Viper's seemed about the best price and looked pretty nice to me as well, and - they were in stokc on sale at EMS locally so I was able to pick them up today so I can get out climbing this week.

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By Michael C
From New Jersey
Jan 28, 2013
Mt Minsi, PA
I have Cassin X-Alps (my first set of tools). I really like them.

I've used a handful of tools over the years. Most recently, I tried Petzl Nomics (loved them) and BD Fusions (meh).

I used the Nomics on soft ice and did a bit of dry-tooling as well. They just felt like million-dollar tools. I really like them, would like to use them again, and they will probably be my next purchase.

I used the Fusions on very hard ice (single digit temps) and felt they were too light and I really had to pound them. I think I would have been better off with my heavier X-Alps. I guess I should try them again on softer ice.

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By Sunny-D
From SLC, Utah
Jan 28, 2013
Top of Jah-Man Sister Superior
The Viper is a good tool. You have to learn the swing of any tool you own and how each tool respectively works. If all you are swinging is the Viper you will learn its nuances and climb hard on it. Have fun and be safe out there.
Dallen

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By Unassigned User
Jan 28, 2013
Thanks Dallen,
I will be testing them out this coming week!

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