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By Andrew Mayer
Mar 20, 2013
top of mt. lady washington - rmnp

mike h wrote:
Now says, "**Available Late April / Early May**"


Well it originally said "available late march/early May" so thats not too surprising of a change.


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By Brian in SLC
Mar 20, 2013
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch

Drew Hayes wrote:
I'm working on my rack and currently have no small cams. Would it be worth it to wait on these or go ahead and get some mastercams?


The sooner you get out climbing the better...IMHO.

Even with a set of one type, if you dig thin cracks you'll end up with doubles anyhow.

My rack is a mix of Metolius and BD. I think they compliment each other.


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By William Domhart
From Ventucky, CA
Apr 1, 2013
Traverse by HWY 41 Cave

Ran into some BD employees out in J-Tree on Friday and they were climbing on them. Got to handle them and they look sexy. Didn't have any of those Alien contraptions to compare em' to, but had my MC's. I'd say they're comparable, but not sure I'd pay $10 extra per cam or whatever they're going to go for.


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By Ryan Williams
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From London (sort of)
Apr 1, 2013
El Chorro

$70 for a cam that has basically been out for years now? I think I'll stick with Metolius, just like I did when the C3 came out.


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By mattm
From TX
Apr 1, 2013
Grande Grotto

Ryan Williams wrote:
$70 for a cam that has basically been out for years now? I think I'll stick with Metolius, just like I did when the C3 came out.


While similar I'm not sure I'd say "been out for years now". X4 will differ in: Sizing, Cam Angle, trigger/sheath design. Certainly in the same category and for some not a reason to dole out more cash. For others, perhaps something they've been wanting. I know for me, all the differences listed above are "cons" with the Mastercam. I have some and certainly use them BUT I never liked the Mastercam sizing (or ANY metolius size run in that purple to red range) and I was never a fan of the trigger "sheath".


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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Apr 2, 2013
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3

they are on mountaingears website with an expected shipdate of 5/15


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By Bud Martin
From Bozeman, MT
Apr 3, 2013

Climbed with a full rack fo these things today, they were pretty darn cool. Probably worth the extra money over the Mastercam.


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By Pitty
From Marbach
Apr 4, 2013
My cool Elly....

@Bud: can I get your rack?


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Apr 4, 2013

Pitty wrote:
@Bud: can I get your rack?


+1 or your friend's rack?


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 4, 2013

Bud Martin wrote:
Climbed with a full rack fo these things today, they were pretty darn cool. Probably worth the extra money over the Mastercam.


The more I climb on mine, the more I like them. Definitely will be saving my dividend dollars for another set.


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Apr 4, 2013

John Wilder wrote:
The more I climb on mine, the more I like them. Definitely will be saving my dividend dollars for another set.


John you're a BD rep aren't you?


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By jim.dangle
Apr 4, 2013

John Wilder wrote:
The more I climb on mine, the more I like them. Definitely will be saving my dividend dollars for another set.


What do you like about them?

Give us an early review!

Jim


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 4, 2013

NorCalNomad wrote:
John you're a BD rep aren't you?


No, just a retired gear reviewer with a good friend here and there.

I'm a fan of the trigger 'sheath'- they basically did what I thought Metolius should have, built the trigger sheath in a way that allows 360 degree bending.

I like how flexible they are, but at the same time stiff enough to not collapse while you're trying to stuff them in a crack.

I love the narrower heads- especially on the bigger sizes.

They are longer than C4s by almost an inch, which is nice for free climbing, not so much for aid climbing.

They dont redefine small cams, but, like the C4s, they certainly put a gold stamp on it (imho, of course).

That said, mine are pre-production prototypes and I know that there will be some minor changes to the production run versions. (I dont know what changes, but I would guess they'll anodize them as mine are not.)


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