Hey "David" and "Tonto" and anyone "Else", Why don't you come meet me for a beer in ABQ and let's discuss this? If they won't let you in we can meet at Jamba Juice. PM me and let's hook up. Jeremy Aslaksen ABQ, NM
Sure Jeremy, I love spending time with open minded homophobes like yourself who hurl sexual insults at people they disagree with.
Well, that could be because it doesn't have shit to do with ethics at this point. .
Nope, just personal pissing matches. Want to measure?
Did you ever wonder why this conversation is coming out years after the fact instead of when it would have actually accomplished something? Hmmmmm. Interesting.
If you ignore Tonto's attempts to hijack the thread, the summary is simple. Most people on this post prefer routes to be developed with minimal amounts of glue if any. That is not radical or controversial. Most also feel public lands, specifically climbing areas are not the property of the first people with enough time to develop the routes but are a communal property and that development should follow local ethics. While the value of a mountain project thread is questionable, the consensus on this issue is not. Glue should not be a tool of development. If the crag requires buckets of glue, clean it and hope for some good rock or move on. See page 77 of Cathedral and Whitehorse Ledges buy Jerry Handren for more information. Oh, and Jeremy thanks for the offer to buy everyone a beer.