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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

chufftard wrote:
just FYI, many of the people in the outdoor sports you participate in smoke weed. in other words, we break the law on a regular basis.


I know. I have arrested a few. Lol! FYI: It wasn't the weed that made 'em stupid. They were already stupid to begin with. Believe it or not, the weed was secondary and probably wouldn't have been discovered if they were not otherwise dummies. Lol!! Could really care less about the pot smoking issue. Never had to fight a hemp head. But I won't get into that argument... :-)


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By Jake Jones
From Richmond, VA
Dec 21, 2012
Me and the offspring walking back to the car after a day of cragging.

Ericka Heath wrote:
I know what "Hangdog" means. I was using it in a silly way to explain how I felt just chilling out at the top with no one around to help or offer advice. Not using it in the proper climber jargon apparently rips some people's hides.


I don't think it rips peoples' hides, it's that just as you as a cop use certain terms that are particular to your profession. Climbing is no different. You wouldn't say "yellow" when you mean "blue" and you wouldn't answer "yes" to a question when you mean "no". Hangdogging as you describe it is the opposite of what it is. So when you're soliciting advice or help or starting a discussion in a forum, knowing what terms mean and using them properly is important if you're seeking an accurate answer.


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By Unassigned User
Dec 21, 2012

Ericka Heath wrote:
I know. I have arrested a few. Lol! FYI: It wasn't the weed that made 'em stupid. They were already stupid to begin with. Believe it or not, the weed was secondary and probably wouldn't have been discovered if they were not otherwise dummies. Lol!! Could really care less about the pot smoking issue. Never had to fight a hemp head. But I won't get into that argument... :-)

you are a stellar representative of the law enforcement community

thank you for your service


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By sanz
From Raleigh, NC
Dec 21, 2012
One of my first trad leads, on Ooga Chocka at Crowder's Mountain.

Ericka Heath wrote:
As a cop, I could really rip some ignorant drivers and otherwise non-law abiding citizens into shreds. I started climbing to keep me sane and not say or do what I really would like to do to ignorant people who should be removed from the gene pool.


Although I believe that any functioning society needs a code of law, and although I have met police officers that are good and decent people, the fact that so many cops have this kind of attitude is the reason I and many others tend to agree with NWA.


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By bearbreeder
Dec 21, 2012




once you climb more youll find that the ability to to climb up and down while absolutely pumped and hang there for quite a while is quite important on harder overhung routes

and use your feet ... if you are getting over pumped on the typical easy vertical autobelay route, your footwork and body positioning is to blame ... not the "fault" of any autobelay or its concept ... its your weakness

RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH !!!

;)


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

sanz wrote:
Although I believe that any functioning society needs a code of law, and although I have met police officers that are good and decent people, the fact that so many cops have this kind of attitude is the reason I and many others tend to agree with NWA.


Sanz, sorry you feel that way. Most PEOPLE generally are good folks. I don't think you are bad person. Believe me when I say this, there are VERY bad people out there. They care nothing for you or anyone else. Therefore, I still stand by my gene pool comment. 10 years of exposure to people like that can twist a person. That's why I seek outlets that are healthy and non-destructive. Climbing happens to be one of them.

Maybe we can meet one day and sort it all out. Peace be with you.


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

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LOVE THIS!!!! TOO FUNNY! SO FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE!! I was literally waiting on a Super Troopers joke.

Totally agree with you on the footwork and body positioning. That's why I was looking around for my "spotter" to throw up advice. Apparently, he would rather walk off and horse play with his buddy. My arms and shoulders were killing me. When I climb real rock, I don't experience this problem. Thank you for your advice.


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By Reginald McChufferton
Dec 21, 2012

I hope this entire thread is a troll. I fear it's not.


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

Jake Jones wrote:
I don't think it rips peoples' hides, it's that just as you as a cop use certain terms that are particular to your profession. Climbing is no different. You wouldn't say "yellow" when you mean "blue" and you wouldn't answer "yes" to a question when you mean "no". Hangdogging as you describe it is the opposite of what it is. So when you're soliciting advice or help or starting a discussion in a forum, knowing what terms mean and using them properly is important if you're seeking an accurate answer.


Jake, I get what you're saying. Some comments on here got the better of me. I am much calmer now. I posted because I was ticked off at being left to literally hang there. I didn't want to drop. I wanted to complete the route, but being inexperienced I couldn't see my options. My "spotter" was off somewhere horse playing. The point I was making about this auto-belay system was I don't think it's very safe for inexperienced climbers or at least newbies to be left to fend for themselves. This concept was presented to me as though it was the best thing to do and even install at your home if you don't have a climbing partner.


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

Reginald McChufferton wrote:
I hope this entire thread is a troll. I fear it's not.


BWAHAHAHAHA....nope


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Dec 21, 2012
Stabby

Erika- if some total rookie with your department showed up and just started saying things that you knew were either mis-informed or just flat out wrong, would you not tell the kid to just clam up and wait until a little bit more experience kicks in before making so many conclusions?
No one puts an auto belay in their house for cryin out loud. Hanging on a rope to rest up and then try again is common for us, but is also a failure and usually embarrassing. An auto belay is tough and unforgiving, but ultimately will teach you much better route management skills in the long run. Hang-dogging -the real version- only reinforces bad habits and keeps you from advancing.


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

Mike Lane wrote:
Erika- if some total rookie with your department showed up and just started saying things that you knew were either mis-informed or just flat out wrong, would you not tell the kid to just clam up and wait until a little bit more experience kicks in before making so many conclusions? No one puts an auto belay in their house for cryin out loud. Hanging on a rope to rest up and then try again is common for us, but is also a failure and usually embarrassing. An auto belay is tough and unforgiving, but ultimately will teach you much better route management skills in the long run. Hang-dogging -the real version- only reinforces bad habits and keeps you from advancing.


I feel ya brother. Seriously, that's what this dude told me. If he had seemed at all interested in helping the people out there, we could have all learned something. Maybe he has less experience than me...who knows.

I could see how it would test your stamina and route management, but leaving a rookie out to dry is plain wrong. That's what got me fired up to start with.


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By The Maverick
Dec 21, 2012

Reginald McChufferton wrote:
And poof, just like that Ericka Heath a sgt with the Hickory, NC Police dept. has turned into Maverick . Now she can tell all of us low lifes what she really thinks of us. This should be good.


No...now come on....I just acquired this nickname yesterday. It's a long story and one that should be discussed over beer. I lost a bet and that's ALL I am saying.

No one here is a low life.


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By smithb
From Flagstaff, Az
Dec 22, 2012

<<-- Low life


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By Glbj
Dec 22, 2012

you no like, you no use !


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By Gunkiemike
Dec 22, 2012

NC Rock Climber wrote:
In the gym I use I have, on more than one occasion, see a person get to the top, prepare to lean back only to realize that they forgot to clip into the auto belay. Sounds stupid, but it happens with frightening regularity.


Seriously? Sounds like your gym's clients will be appearing in an upcoming Darwin Award.

Or maybe they won't die in the gym, but rather take their new-found radness out to the local crag. I can see it now:

"Local College Student Falls at Lion Den State Park. 24 year old Heima Dypschitt suffered a fatal fall yesterday. Witnesses said the victim had hiked to the top of the cliff on the usual hiking trail. Then, to the amazement of onlookers, he walked to the edge of the precipice, turned around to face them, yelled "on rappel" and took three steps backwards. Authorities at the scene reported that Dypschitt was not wearing a harness and that there was no rope anywhere."


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By ChristopherAust
From Ohio
Dec 22, 2012
omg


Here, I'll contribute.


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Dec 22, 2012
Sure, I can belay

Gunkiemike wrote:
Seriously? Sounds like your gym's clients will be appearing in an upcoming Darwin Award.


I don't think your knowledge of human intelligence and fallibility has kept up with the science. There are plenty of quite interesting popular books available which you might enjoy.

It's actually a miracle any of us last as long as we do!


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By Woodchuck ATC
Dec 22, 2012
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

ChristopherAust wrote:
Here, I'll contribute.


Are those pancakes on top of a tasty bunny? I'm all in for that. BBQ time tonight!


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By J Q
Dec 22, 2012
Me again!

The Maverick wrote:
No one here is a low life.



Many of us here be a low life. Now being a Maverick, that's special.


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By Mike Belu
From Indianapolis, IN
Dec 22, 2012
Summit of Rainier.

Here's my advice as a fellow fairly nubie. Ask tons of questions, filter through the funny/sarcastic answers to get the info you are after.
My 2 cents on autobelay, they are good when you want to get some work and don't have a live belay. I do think the upward pull can help keep a climbers balance sometimes when they would otherwise pop off the route. Use it as a tool for training. At this point, i would't bother to stop and hang on the jug. Just climb until your forearms get so pumped you can't hold on any more. Then enjoy the ride down, take 5 and do it again. Cheers. Have fun.


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By The Maverick
Dec 22, 2012

Jonhy Q wrote:
Many of us here be a low life. Now being a Maverick, that's special.


I like you JQ! ;-) Again, I lost a bet and all my screen names have to be changed to the Maverick. Long story. Happy to disclose details after beer. Oh wait, beer is what got me that stupid nickname...damn...


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By FrankPS
From Atascadero, CA
Dec 23, 2012

Look out - here comes the lynch mob. Hide yer kids.


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By John Husky
Dec 23, 2012

Supertroopers:
God, it smells like sex in here.


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By Jon Zucco
From Denver, CO
Dec 28, 2012
yaak crack Red Rock Canyon, NV

Dawn take you all, and be stone to you!


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