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Missing crashpads at Panther Peak

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Chris Prewitt · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 2,585

Does anyone have information regarding the whereabouts of three crashpads that were stashed at Panther Peak? Hopefully some kind soul out there has them or know's where they are living these days. Here's what we're looking for: a Black Diamond Mondo named "Tina", a medium sized Misty Mountain, a medium sized Franklin, and "the Magic Carpet" along with various other small bags of cleaning gear and tools. It is possible that they are still out there and someone just moved them to a spot I haven't looked, even though I've checked just about everywhere. Any help is greatly appreciated.

If you have them or any info I'd love to hear from you soon so I can figure out where they are. Please post,PM, or call 314-276-7945.

Nikolai Daiss-Fechner · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2005 · Points: 5

Bump because I cannot wait for this!

Tim Stich · · Colorado Springs, Colorado · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 1,516

Ever hear of Chaos Canyon in Rocky Mountain NP? There was a pad related incident there not too long ago.

J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,926

ohh....oh no. Poor Chris.

Can Officer Rabbit please explain to Chris the wrong that has been perpetrated?

....littering and, littering and....

J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,926

Yes, i.e. I was kind of assuming that chronic needed to be involved in order to post about 'lost pads' (read littering) and expect to get a polite response.

But, it appears that nobody will take this one so....

Chris, in short:

When you hike out, take your pad with you. Climbing areas are not your personal closet and most folks get very annoyed when boulderers leave their pads stashed places. Thus, someone probably purposely took your pads for this reason. Perhaps you didn't think about this, in which case I hope you get the pads back.

no1nprtclr · · Front range Colorado · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 55

missing crashpads.... oh mee, oh my..... missing crashpads.... you mean another cheesy holiwood flick has to go without crashpads.... oh mee, oh my.... lol... buy new ones and take them home when done......

JJNS · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 531

I don't even want to get into it. Good luck Chris. I hope your pads turn up. I'm jealous you've got some new boulders to develop in southern Arizona. Get them all cleaned up and ready to send.

no1nprtclr · · Front range Colorado · Joined Oct 2006 · Points: 55

maybe time to do some strength training.... to be able those crashpads home... so are you making movies with those crashpads, cars involved, accidents with motorcycles. crashpads could be useful.........lol must be a "B" rated flick.........lol

Chip Phillips · · Broomfield, CO · Joined May 2001 · Points: 1,655
Stich wrote:Ever hear of Chaos Canyon in Rocky Mountain NP? There was a pad related incident there not too long ago.
... or Mount Evans for that matter. And I'm not so sure it would be fair to characterize what happened in Colorado as AN incident. It was a saga. Fortunately, we've policed our ourselves and the issues have been resolved.

I particularly like that you try to personalize this by revealing the names of said crashpads, etc. Maybe you'll get your "Preciouses" back, maybe you won't. Enjoy developing your new blocks, but take your pads home with you at the end of the day or expect to buy new ones again in the future. The days of stashing pads on public lands and expecting everyone else to tolerate your actions are over.

Although some like to characterize your pads as "lost property" ... the land management agencies view your pads as "abandoned property."
Robin Leopold · · Denver, CO · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 0

In the words of Lionel Hutz, "I'd like to direct the court to the case of Finders vs. Keepers."

Chris Prewitt · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 2,585

Thanks for all of the advise. I'm fully aware of the legality/ethics of stashing gear and am willing to take my lumps from the community. All that aside, I'd still like to keep things on track here. Any locals know anything?

Andy Librande · · Denver, CO · Joined Nov 2005 · Points: 1,880

The local wildlife probably ate them:

boydpainting · · Estes Park CO · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 320

It's in your trunk, right? You carried it all the way back out and put it in your trunk. Like a responsible person you packed it in, then out, and just happened to forget. Way to leave no trace, there is no way a marmot is chewing his new nest out of the foam, no trash to pile up in the woods. We need more people like you to be stewards for the environment, to make certain the selfish and lazy can't ruin the experience for everyone else. Good lookin out!

See also sarcasm.

Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,305

The vote is in. Pack out your pads. Geez bouderers, you've only got shoes and a chalk bag so what's the problem? Try hauling a 70lb pack of trad gear in and out of the backcountry sometime for a real climbing experience. Yeah, I know, it's a new generation and they have all the answers (excuses) to live mountain life THEIR way and screw the rest of us.

Charles Vernon · · Colorado megalopolis · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 2,749

Panther Peak bears bears no resemblance to Chaos canyon: there's no marmots, no tourists, no heavily traveled hiking trail yards away, no hoards of boulderers (it's a brand-new area), no big brother park service looking over everyone's shoulder. Under the circumstances it seems reasonable to stash pads up there. There might come a point, and possibly soon, where it isn't, but this avalanche of criticism is silly. None of the posters appear to be from Tucson or know anything about this area.

I'd bet anything that the people who took these pads stole them because they wanted pads, not because they cared about the environment or were trying to make a point about lazy boulderers. Chris, I hope you get your pads back and I'll keep my eyes and ears open.

Red · · Tacoma, Toyota · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 1,625
Charles Vernon wrote:Panther Peak bears bears no resemblance to Chaos canyon: there's no marmots, no tourists, no heavily traveled hiking trail yards away, no hoards of boulderers (it's a brand-new area), no big brother park service looking over everyone's shoulder. Under the circumstances it seems reasonable to stash pads up there. There might come a point, and possibly soon, where it isn't, but this avalanche of criticism is silly. None of the posters appear to be from Tucson or know anything about this area.
+1 Well said Charles!

I agree that pads, gear, or whatever should not be stashed in areas with high traffic, places with possible access issues, or where it could harm the wildlife. But I don't see any of that being an issue at this spot currently.

Hope you get your pad's Chris.
J. Albers · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 1,926
Charles Vernon wrote:Panther Peak bears bears no resemblance to Chaos canyon: there's no marmots, no tourists, no heavily traveled hiking trail yards away, no hoards of boulderers (it's a brand-new area), no big brother park service looking over everyone's shoulder. Under the circumstances it seems reasonable to stash pads up there. There might come a point, and possibly soon, where it isn't, but this avalanche of criticism is silly. None of the posters appear to be from Tucson or know anything about this area. I'd bet anything that the people who took these pads stole them because they wanted pads, not because they cared about the environment or were trying to make a point about lazy boulderers. Chris, I hope you get your pads back and I'll keep my eyes and ears open.
Sorry Charles, but I disagree. When I lived in New Mexico, I went to a lot of vacant crags that didn't see people for weeks at a time. I never left my bag of draws at the base under a rock. If I had found someone doing that, I wouldn't have taken the stuff, but I would have been annoyed. Don't be so lazy, it is a simple as that. Are crash pad REALLY that hard to carry out? Lack of traffic is a poor excuse.
Trevor · · Cottonwood Heights, UT · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 180

from boulderingtucson.com/panthe…

"These boulders are within the boundary of Saguaro National Park. Please follow all park rules, and keep impact to a bare minimum."

Ben Scott · · Fort Collins, CO · Joined Sep 2007 · Points: 4,062

Right on Trevor.

Nothing like getting the facts and keeping arguments simple.
thanks for the link.

Brent Silvester · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 135

actually, i believe this area is managed as state trust land. At least that is what the sign says as you start heading up the hill. So for those of you getting all up in arms about three crash pads stashed in a hole 1 hour off of the trail, then you all should go ride your bike through Fantasy Island(State trust land) and tell me what is worse. Three crash pads, or one million tubes, a few hundred discarded tires, trash, a couple car frames, and the hundreds of other items decorating the area.

I think the people who stole the pads are just as wrong, if not more so, as the people who stashed them. But if they are climbers (and they climbed on the boulders), it would be nice to get the pads back to the people who were developing the area.

Larry · · SoAZ · Joined Jan 2006 · Points: 50
Straw man argument

Whatever happened to leave no trace?
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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