Ok fine, Daryl and I went out and replaced the bolts as a joke. We will be at Sweet Rock this weekend ready to discuss our actions or just kick anyone's ass that doesn't like our sense of humor. I'd drag Scott with me but he is headed to Canada to get married and will be gone for about a month.

Noooo what happened to lets all be happy and climb?

Ken loves hearing these stories.

mike- that's freaking hysterical. I have not 'owned' a quick draw in 20 years. I have touched Scott's bolts with a bolt cutter!

I've done:
-Peacemaker (a pile o shiat, my partner gave it the one star)
-Absinthe
-the crap he rebolted on the Druid that I chopped (because I FA'd the damn thing)
-some BS thing he did right of Cap'm Pissgums (drilling bolts off of camalot placements!) which DDC and I affectionately called "traversing pansy ass".
-Bogeet Mondoo? behind faded rock
-one or two short routes on the fins , the names who cares
-Magna Veritas right of Days (which Fowler lead)
-and the first pitch of one of the routes near the discussed --DDC fell asleep belaying me as second

I've seen what he has done. I have argued with him face to face. I EVEN returned chopped hardware which he felt was his god given right to replace (contrary to someone else on this board they are freaking buttonhead rawls- not zmacs).

oh, I am getting worked up and will have to,... turning green... shirt ripping..
Hulk Smash....

So you've clipped one of Scott's bolts with a carabiner that had a sling attached to it and then with another carabiner attached to the sling you clipped to your rope? You just don't own any of them fancy new gagets called quickdraws that are 2 carabiners with a sewn sling between them. Kind of a cool new invention.

Hmmm, after all the crap that has been talked about this, along with some of the other crap you people have done down there, I am super glad that I dont live in that area. Its climbing people... No one is sleeping with your wife, its something we do for FUN!!!!
(it has been fun lurking, though)

Wow, who needs soap operas or gossip when you've got posts like these. You guys beat the ladies hands down for cattiness!

Rick,

I clearly don't know the whole story about Scott and it is quite possible that I would agree with you in certain, or even a lot, of instances. That said, it is a bit hyperbolic to say that ALL of his routes should be chopped. I have personally climbed some of his routes in California and they are absolutely top notch (and yes, you DO need supplemental gear for some of them). In fact, two weeks ago, I did probably the single best 10b I have ever done....and yes, I have done a shit ton of 5.10's at many classic crags in countless states and different countries, so I do have a pretty large frame of reference. Hands down, his route was super high quality. If somebody chopped it, I would be f**king pissed, and it would be a real shame for the community.

just my 2 cents.

Just for the record James I bolted them because they are fun climbs and give other climbers the chance to climb them. The fact that Scott tried to tell me that I was not allowed to do them, well that was easy.

As for those of you that think this is just one guy fighting with another over turf, you are wrong.

Someone said he doesn't like Hypocrites. Neither do I.

Scott has chopped the Beaver Wall, twice I think. Moved another parties anchors at Munchkinland without talking to them. Told people not to cross his routes when Endgame crosses five and there are many other examples of this. Talked about not chiseling and did it, told everyone they should not steal other peoples routes and finished one at Munchkinland by "working" it down to his level, then said he thought it was the guys from NOLS putting it up. So it is okay to snake a route from the NOLS guys! he has also chopped a route on Sheepshead that was lead by Dave Jones in bold style. He also bolted over a very run out route on Sheepshead that Dave lead ground up with almost no pro.

Daryl, you can stick your head in the sand and Mike D. you can protect SA but you haven't watched the hypocrisy for 20 plus years as many of us have.

If Scott is willing to do what he did on Endgame just wait until you guys do something he doesn't approve of.

Finally I say again, If Scott has nothing to hide then he should stand by his actions and respond to the community on this site where we can all judge his actions by reading what his reasoning is.

Instead he calaims he is persecuted and he gets you guys to stand up for him. You know him, he is a smart articulate guy and I say he avoids the public forums because he knows how silly he will look.

"cota, you're a poopy head"

I second that one.

You're all F'n morons with small penises.


Where do I pickup my beer?

jon - freakin' hilarious!

EDIT: Mike, when did you see my penis???!!! Dammit!

EDIT #2: (on a serious note). Well said, Eric.

Lets just turn this thread into the Jon Ruland is a funny man thread and forget about this crap.

By the way Jon, have not climbed with you in like a year. Would love to climb again now that I can actually climb lol. Spending the summer up in Las Vegas climbing Red Rocks every night after work. Would love to climb when I get back. Let me know.

What are you planning on climbing in Red Rocks? Did you ever get out to climb Epi?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!! LOUD NOISES!!

Screw this. I'm moving to Boulder. They never have bolt wars there!