Bolts in the Fish Creek area--whodunnit?
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Two days ago I was driving the Apache Trail, aka AZ 88. At the point where Fish Creek crosses the 88, I stopped to check it out and see if the amazing walls in the place really were the chossy crap they appeared to be. |
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Somebody practicing, perhaps? |
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The problem is partly that I believe this area still qualifies as the Superstition Mountains, where this is currently a ban on bolting. :-/ Not to mention this was not bolted "responsibly," practice or no, if you catch my drift... |
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Agreed; sounds like a few independent layers of irresponsibility at work there: over bolting, no efforts to camo hardware, and doing so in area(s) not okay'd for bolting. Reading through your post again, I'd have to say practicing for sure. Some furball probably picked up Inertia 1 & 2 (vhs or beta, of course) from the local pawn shop and headed straight for Home Depot. I cringe to think what he came up with for quickdraws... . And his rope?...omg - waaaay scarier than any 5.xxRR I've seen. |
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I've hiked along the creek a number of times, there's some nice bouldering if you're into that sort of thing. I have seen some random bolts but no actual lines. There is good potential for some lines on the big walls above the road but the rock is quite chossy, some places prohibitively so. If some good lines were put up there I wouldn't object, but it sounds like the bolter is a newbie in this case. |
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Humm, |
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Well, actually, I didn't expect any names to be posted unless the person who did the bolting decided to be public about it, but one can always ask. :) |
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Sounds like somebody practicing or learning a new skill set. Unfortunately, sounds like somebody is unaware that drilling in the Supes is banned, although it is legal to hand drill in other wilderness areas, the local authorities have kept the ban, as far as I know. I asked a few years ago. If anyone cares to update on the ban, please do. Susan, if the person wants to learn how to bolt, have em PM me. |
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As far as the formation in the creek below the bridge. There are anchor bolts at the top. I TR'd it probably 15 years ago and it looked like those bolts had been in long before I got there and before the bolting ban. Also there are some fixed pitons in the horizontal cracks on the routes. The rock is fairly polished as is most of the rock in the creek. Not a world class destination. Some cool bouldering up the creek. Polished rock with geod type pockets on some big boulders. Good senic area to go to though. Especially when it is raining. The waterfalls coming off the canyon walls are extremly awesome. |
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Was it here? |
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Daryl, yes, that's the place. I can identify both points in your first photo where the two routes are (er, I don't see them in your photo, but their locations are included in your photo). The bolt ladder is on the middle-right hand side of the rock face just left of the cave--the face looks like a triangle lying on its side, pointing right. The bolts stitch up this face, then stop at the ledge where you can see that big boulder sitting above the face. Nothing on it until you hit the very tip of that boulder--a single bolt is on the little slabby tip. Then nothing as far as I could tell. c greevers wrote:As far as the formation in the creek below the bridge. There are anchor bolts at the top. I TR'd it probably 15 years ago and it looked like those bolts had been in long before I got there and before the bolting ban.Yes, those anchors looked far different from the other bolts. Much older, less shiny, different shape (although I didn't walk down to inspect up close). The other bolts are in fact some of the shiniest I've ever seen, actually....They look like a different brand of bolt than anything else I've ever seen as well. |
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The language is contained in the "The Wilderness Act of 1964" I believe. Dief probably has a copy. The whole thing hinges on interpretation the "no instalation" portion of the act. |