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By Medic741
From Pittsford, New York
Aug 5, 2012
When I was a bum at Frey

Wondering what experiences have been since arcteryx moved to china. Have an arcteryx alpha sv made in Canada and it works great. Year after I purchased the alpha sl's made in china. About half way into a 40 day glaciated approach the outer layer began to delaminates from the goretex... And the zippers came unglued... And the were not cheap. And I found myself in a raging Patagonia storm with pants that were no longer useful... Contacted arcteryx to request a warranty and never heard back. Want to know if this is an isolated incident or if arc just SUCKS since their move to china before I get these replaced with the same or something different.

Cheers


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Aug 6, 2012
Cleo's Needle

I heard a rumor that Black Diamond was making stuff in China too.


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By Stephan Doyle
Aug 6, 2012

Try Arc'Teryx again. Give them a call or post on their Facebook. They're usually pretty good about warranty issues.


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By Josh Kornish
Aug 6, 2012
The Roach

As of last year I've been pretty unimpressed with Arc' The new cuts of their clothes has really slipped the most in my mind. Quality I still haven't found any issues with beside the fact that their packs aren't bear proof ;)

My next piece is definitely coming from NW ALPINE or Voormi


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By Christopher G
From New Hartford, NY
Aug 6, 2012
Adirondacks

Westcomb and Wild Things have worked well for me. Westcomb makes all their line in Canada and Wild Things Equipment is made in New Hampshire, the good ole USA! Good luck!


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By Jsimpson
Aug 6, 2012

I just sent my gor-tex jacket back to arcteryx for repairs/replacement. since i bought it in 2002 I'm not holding my breath. I filled out all the info on their repair website and sent it away. I received an email 5-7 days later letting me know they received my jacket and that they would give me a call in 12-15 days, once they have reviewed my repair.


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By James Otey
From NH
Aug 6, 2012
Urban Surfer, Rumney. <br /> <br />Photo by Lee Hansche

I have a China Alpha SL Pullover that has better quality than another piece that was made in Canada.

Wild things is great too. Their customer service is AMAZING.


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By Siberia
From Birmingham, AL
Aug 6, 2012

Some cowardly piece of shit stole my Canadian Dead Bird, Theta AR. This was three years ago.....that son of a bitch.


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By George Bracksieck
Aug 6, 2012

Black Diamond has been making their skis and cams and other gear in China, for years. DMM and Wild Country make their cams, etc. in Wales. Look in Forums for a long thread about BD in China.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Aug 6, 2012
Cleo's Needle

George Bracksieck wrote:
Black Diamond has been making their skis and cams and other gear in China, for years. DMM and Wild Country make their cams, etc. in Wales. Look in Forums for a long thread about BD in China.


No way!!!?????!!!!


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By Medic741
From Pittsford, New York
Aug 6, 2012
When I was a bum at Frey

Thanks for all the replies guys. Nice to hear of some good alternatives to Arcteryx.


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By erik wellborn
From manitou springs
Aug 6, 2012
Top of Bridalveil, feelin good

+1 for NWalpine. Not quite as refined or featured as the dead bird, but its half the price and weighs less. And stuff is made in 'Merika.


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Aug 6, 2012
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

Voormi! That dead bird crap is just over priced Columbia anyway.
Virtually every outdoor garment made in China is out of just a couple of factories. Same machinery, same people, none of who give a shit about what's on the label. Voormi represents true innovation and is American made. Their headquarters are right here in beautiful Pagosa Springs.


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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Aug 6, 2012
Cleo's Needle

s.price wrote:
Voormi! That dead bird crap is just over priced Columbia anyway. Virtually every outdoor garment made in China is out of just a couple of factories. Same machinery, same people, none of who give a shit about what's on the label. Voormi represents true innovation and is American made. Their headquarters are right here in beautiful Pagosa Springs.


Do you have a link to where I can buy a Voormi jacket?


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By Christopher M.
From Campton, NH
Aug 6, 2012
Bad photo but the only one i have that isnt 3 years old. I am not much of a camra person...

The zipper coming off is unacceptable. I am wondering though, Is the delaminating a problem with Arcteryx or goretex? If that fabric was being sent to them in large rolls like I am picturing it wouldn't matter if it was cut and sewn together in Canada or China, it would have to same fabric either way.


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By Dustin
From Pagosa Springs, CO
Aug 7, 2012

Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Do you have a link to where I can buy a Voormi jacket?


Hey Ray - You'll be able to purchase Voormi clothing from our website (www.voormi.com), however we will not have product available until late fall. We are also working towards having Voormi gear in a specialty store near you!

Voormi Clothing is 100% domestic manufactured and made from natural fibers, primarily wool. We will be introducing some truly revolutionary fabrics and technologies that is going to change the way people shop, dress, and look at waterproof/breathable fabrics.

Stay tuned to:
www.voormi.com
www.facebook.com/Voormi


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By Graham Johnson
Aug 7, 2012

Delamination is definitely a Gore-Problem. I had a marmot jacket that delaminated quite badly after about a year and tried to warrenty it through Marmot, who said "it's not our problem, contact Gore". Gore sent me a new Marmot jacket, no questions asked.


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By Patrick Mulligan
Aug 7, 2012
The top of the tufa on Magma

Try Norrona too. They're the European Arc'Teryx.


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By Medic741
From Pittsford, New York
Aug 7, 2012
When I was a bum at Frey

Hmmm that is a good point. Hadn't thought of that.

Question for y'all. My. Understanding is that each company makes their own outer fabric and binds it to a goretex membrane. Is this accurate or does gore make the outer fabric and the goretex layer? Kinda off topic but haven't been able to figure that one out with certainty. ??


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By bearbreeder
Aug 7, 2012

it doesnt really matter .... dead bird made the end product, they should cover you ...

IMO they are the same as any other decent outdoor brand, no better or worse in general ...


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By Dave77
From Watertown, NY
Aug 8, 2012
me in NH

+1 NW Alpine


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By Stephan Doyle
Aug 8, 2012

Medic741 wrote:
Hmmm that is a good point. Hadn't thought of that. Question for y'all. My. Understanding is that each company makes their own outer fabric and binds it to a goretex membrane. Is this accurate or does gore make the outer fabric and the goretex layer? Kinda off topic but haven't been able to figure that one out with certainty. ??


Gore has a big list (a book, actually) of acceptable fabrics that a manufacturer can choose from.


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By AlexDC
Jan 9, 2013

I bought a Canadian-made Arcteryx Hyllus (or whatever the predecessor was called) about five years ago. It's a great piece of equipment, especially because of its high, flared collar, which fits comfortably around the jaw line. Unfortunately Arcteryx now makes the Hyllus in China and the quality has slipped. The tailoring is poor. It's less well insulated, constructed and designed. It seems Arcteryx is more interested in mass-marketing its product than meeting the needs of people who spend significant time in extreme elements. If you're buying a soft shell to run weekend errands, you won't notice the difference.


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By nick frazee
From bozeman, MT
Jan 9, 2013

+1 for NW alpine. Their stuff rocks.


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By Curtis Tripp
From Moab, UT
Jan 9, 2013

Medic741 wrote:
About half way into a 40 day glaciated approach...


Where were you heading to that had a 40 day approach?


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By Kevin Connolly
From CO
Jan 10, 2013

Curtis Tripp wrote:
Where were you heading to that had a 40 day approach?


most americans don't move real fast, especially those of the eastern variety.


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