another moving thread: phoenix or reno

Lived in Phoenix last 3 years and we have an opportunity to relocate to Reno Nevada.

considerations in addition to climbing:

skiing/mountain biking/whitewater/golf (in that order - i'm thinking reno wins on all points but golf)

Cost of living appears to be about the same.

Other things to consider?

I think it's a no brainer. Definitely Reno over Phoenix.

Well I lived in Reno for twelve years before moving to Colorado , so I guess I can chime in and I've traveled in and out of there on mining gigs for the past 9 years after moving to Colorado back in 02 .

Reno is a shithole period ! But it has everything you your looking for including golf , hell the PGA uses Montrose golf course just outside of town there are other golf options as well ( golf is not my gig but I have a lot of friends who chase golf balls)

The only thing that you will probably find lacking is whitewater rafting , yes there is some rafting and some damn good rafting if your willing to drive a bit , but if ur expecting the truckee river to have any class 5 then your in for a bit of a letdown .

The whole area Reno -Sparks is a dirty shithole of a town unless you like being accosted by druggies, vagrants, and cheap hookers almost everywhere you turn ESP
Downtown . The casinos are only good for fairly cheap rooms if you join there players club , most used to have good buffets but lately I wouldn't feed there shit to my dog .

But you do have the Sierra east side , lee vining , and yose valley within a reasonable drive . There is the leap and Donner and Tahoe is just a short drive .

One thing you won't have to deal with is the heat during the summer like you did in Phoenix it does cool off at night during the summer .

Sorry for being a downer but I feel you should know what your moving into , not that I had much use for Phoenix back when I lived and worked out there. Ill give you a hint
The highway wasn't finished between Mesa and apache junk heap.
Cheers

More on Reno:

The climbing crags are amazing. Just living close to the Leap is a huge bonus, if you like multi-pitch trad in bomber granite from classic 400' 5.6 to about as hard as you want. There are many climbing options in the area.

You would be 2 hrs form some of the best whitewater in the country. If you go and you kayak, check out boof.com. Its a great Nor-cal local boating forum.

If you like to park and play or just mess around on easy class III the Reno Whitewater park can be fun and they have a whitewater festival every year that attracts some of the best boaters in the nation.

I like Gardnerville and Minden , what is that , like 45 minutes from Reno ?

Steve Powell wrote:I think it's a no brainer. Definitely Reno over Phoenix.

yep

What the hell is "golf"?

I live in Reno, moved here from Phoenix. Arizona is pretty rad. The diversity and quality of climbing shouldn't be overlooked. The season can't be beat (if you don't mind a lack of winter). Mountain biking is not lacking either. Outside a few locales though, kayaking and skiing will not be very good.

Reno is its own thing. Especially socially, but there are some high points. For a granite freak like me, a 35 minute door to climb drive at Donner Pass is awesome. Living close to Lake Tahoe for summer recreation is great.

If you need nearby skiing, the choice is obvious. If not, I think both places have a lot going for them.

Mustard - Can you comment further on reno's social oddities? I have spent probably 20+ days there, visiting, over past couple years and it seems quite normal. Food scene isn't as good as phoenix, but it is much smaller and to be expected.

What are the main winter crags around Reno?

I would say that Reno is not always the most progressive place. That's probably changing a bit and perhaps not important to you at all. Nevada is sort of its own thing, both good and bad. If you've liked it here during your visits, I wouldn't pay attention to what I have to say.

As far as cragging close to Reno, just look up the Tahoe area stuff here on mountainproject, there's not really anything secret to speak of. The big points that separate living here as a climber, from, say, Sacramento, is that you are substantially closer to Donner Pass and Woodfords Canyon. Also, you cut time off getting to the Eastern Sierra.

NV + no state income tax

Hey Jacob, I lived in Phoenix for 14 years and in Reno for a total of about 14 as well.

Reno as compared to Phoenix will offer four nice seasons (vs two), with spring being usually sucky and fall being beautiful but generally the weather is super sunny and nice with even less rain and humidity than the 602. Other points to note, both pro and con:

• Reno: way less traffic. Traffic not even comparable to Phoenix.
• Reno: climbing community far smaller and not as good (imo) just due to lack of numbers and a very different vibe to the scene. However, you can find additional partners in NorCal and meet in the middle.
• Phoenix: better medical care options (due to being a larger city), better food scene, typically more cultural options and events and offbeat places/things happening (in my experience at least), but Reno is really developing this way.
• Reno: way worse climbing gym. Waaay worse.
• Reno: mtn biking options are similar in scope to Phx but very different terrain. People in Phx ride hard tails. People in Reno ride full suspension.
• Reno: good whitewater, including a park in town. Some world champion whitewater paddlers live in Reno (nuff said, right). Skiing requires no comment.

Both have a great six hour driving radius to climbing options, although they are very, very different.

You have the potential to become a burlier, more well rounded climber living in Reno, but outdoor climbing year round there is much harder than in Arizona unless you are willing to drive a lot further. Also, I do not agree with iceman that Reno is a shithole. You can find plenty of cool, educated, interesting people there if you want to. Good luck with your decision.

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My 2 cents about Reno as I've been here 1.5 years. The social scene with the casinos does make for an weird dynamic but I've never really set foot in them. The food scene can be seen as sporadic as the downtown is occupied by the casinos and pawn shops but there are some standouts and things seem to be changing for the better. There are enough interesting restaurants and bars in the midtown area to make it worthwhile.

The climbing gym environment changed significantly once they put a new floor in this summer. Not big city good but if you are more into climbing than into the climbing scene then it will be sufficient.

For winter stuff, most people seem to head to Bishop (3 hrs). There are a few local crags that can be good though. Seems like I've heard people talk about winter climbing in Carson City a bit but don't really have good information on that.

I can be on the Peavine trails in 5 minutes of riding time from my house. (I ride hard tails...) The Peavine trails are classic barren Nevada desert but have enough variety to them that they can kick your ass in a hurry while providing some interesting features. They also can have more than their share of loose rock on them. Oh, and get used to riding around gunfire. I've worn red and orange all fall and winter and only been on a handful of rides when I haven't heard gunfire. Was riding last week and came across a couple actually shooting over the trail. They put the guns down and gave me a thumbs up as I rode by. Goes along with what Mustard was saying about it being Nevada for better or worse. South of town there's some good riding around the Galena area. Haven't done too much riding outside of the town due to time constraints but that will change this spring. Hundreds of miles to be ridden in the Sierras. Downieville is 1.5 hours away. Graeagle is 1 hour. Susanville has a great trail system and is a couple of hours away. Area groups are heavily into conservation, trail building and access and there are some big plans for the future.

Long story short, if recreation is your top priority then Reno will not disappoint you.

CA is currently experiencing an epicly dry Winter, which translates to miserable skiing and boating, That aside it has been an epic Winter for climbing all over the Sierra. The whitewater park through town rarely sustains the flows necessary to make it a worthy endeavor BUT, if you're a creeker, the access to the west side Sierra creeks is outstanding.

Hey Jacob , have you moved to the Reno NV? If yes than share some experience in Reno NV?

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