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By Andy Laakmann
Site Landlord
From Bend, OR
Jan 13, 2010
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me? Hint, its on Supercrack Buttress

Alpine ice (AI) ratings are now available when selecting an ice rating. Previously only water ice (WI) ratings were available.


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By Dan Dalton
From Boulder, CO
Jan 13, 2010
Working the sick hand-jams on Stemwide aka Big Dihedral (5.8) at North Table. Photo courtesy of Scott Borger.

Schaweet! Now, just to be clear, AI ice is merely an indicator of the way in which the ice forms or where it is located right? AI ice is generally more permanent and is usually harder than WI ice right? At least this is what I have thought from my experiences in the alpine on ice.

The number, aka the steepness, is the same. WI2 is just as steep as AI2 right?


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By Andy Laakmann
Site Landlord
From Bend, OR
Jan 13, 2010
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me? Hint, its on Supercrack Buttress

Dan Dalton wrote:
Schaweet! Now, just to be clear, AI ice is merely an indicator of the way in which the ice forms or where it is located right? AI ice is generally more permanent and is usually harder than WI ice right? At least this is what I have thought from my experiences in the alpine on ice. The number, aka the steepness, is the same. WI2 is just as steep as AI2 right?


I have no idea..... I just added the values :)


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Jan 13, 2010
Me, of course

Now we need NE ice, and AK ice, and HA ice.


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By Andrew Carson
From Wilson, WY
Jan 13, 2010
Gallatin Canyon

I suppose I better pipe up since I asked for the addition of "alpine ice". Very generally, water ice is formed from water dripping/flowing and freezing, while alpine ice forms from the transition of snow (and related forms of precipitation) to a harder and harder substance, a metamorphosis, if you will.
Tons of situations are a crossover, and there are lots of routes that might be "alpine ice" that will present "water ice" in the right conditions.
So, no hard and fast rules here, as I see it, but maybe a more subtle approach to giving a climb with ice a specific rating.
This all came about because I posted the Black Ice Couloir as a route and didn't think "water ice" was as accurate as an "alpine ice" description. Take it for whatever it's worth. It's all slippery.


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By Tits McGee
From Boulder, CO
Jan 13, 2010
How I Send

Dan - after our conversation last night, I stand corrected. WI and AI use the same scale from 1 to 7. The difference being how they are formed, the number grade refers to the scale and angle of the climbs...

adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/climbing/calc>>>


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By Buff Johnson
Jun 12, 2010
 In a zoo in California, a mother tiger gave birth to a rare set of triplet tiger cubs.    Unfortunately, due to complications in the pregnancy, the cubs were born prematurely and due to their tiny size, they died shortly after birth.  <br /> <br />The mother tiger after recovering from the delivery, suddenly started to decline in health, although physically she was fine. The veterinarians felt that the loss of her litter had caused the tigress to fall into a depression. The doctors decided that if the tigress could surrogate another mother's cubs, perhaps she would improve.  <br /> <br />After checking with many other zoos across the country, the depressing news was that there were no tiger cubs of the right age to introduce to the mourning  mother. The veterinarians decided to try something that had never been  tried in a zoo environment. Sometimes a mother of one species will take on the care of a different species. The only "orphans" that could be found quickly, were a litter of weaner pigs.  The zoo keepers and vets wrapped the piglets in tiger skin and placed the babies around the mother tiger. <br />

Please.

AI forms on Mondays, Thurs, and Sundays of the month following the second trimester of the solstace. WI forms when the Baby Jesus forgets to turn off the hose. Now from what I understand, there not need be a specific time, but I hear it usually happens first thing in the morning; sometimes in the middle of the night as well.


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