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By ellingwood
From Bailey, Colorado
Nov 19, 2011
Looking to buy a new pack. Would like to do some moderate peak bagging 3- 5 day excursions, something that would hold some skis. I have been researching & would like some suggestions. Have any of you heard of figure 4 ?
Thanks CP.

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By Cor
Nov 19, 2011
black nasty
i have that pack, and love it!

like how the lid comes off, if you want.
like how it really cinches down when you want.

it is also holding up well, with no major tears
or anything. (took it up fitz roy, and south howser tower, etc..)

i would recommend it to anyone.
hope that helps,
cor

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By Wyatt H
From Casper, Wy
Nov 19, 2011
Gold standard for alpine is Cilogear. Hands down. Cold Cold World, Blue Ice, Wild Things, Figure 4, and Crux supposedly make good alpine specific packs as well.

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By bearbreeder
Nov 19, 2011
whatever fits yr back best .... everything else is secondary

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Nov 19, 2011
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protect between Bolt 2/3 just post crux . <br /> <br />Picture credit goes to eric Singleton, and many thanks to Josh Bagget for the great belay.
Wyatt H wrote:
Gold standard for alpine is Cilogear. Hands down. Cold Cold World, Blue Ice, Wild Things, Figure 4, and Crux supposedly make good alpine specific packs as well.



it is if you have money to spend. Otherwise, there are other alternatives that work just as well. Does anyone really need a $700 45 L pack?

I find the price absurd for the minimal weight savings one incurs for their W/NW bags.

But then again i dont alpine very much.

T

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Nov 19, 2011
tanuki
CiloGear or Cold Cold World. I have both and love them. IMHO, CiloGear is more than worth the money - $235 for the 45L. CCW is a steal at $175 for the Chernobyl.

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By Adams.Gabriel
From Moran, WY
Nov 19, 2011
Camping at Jackson Falls SoIll
CiloGear 45 Liter work sack $235.

cilogear.com/45lws.html

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By Frank K
From Bishop, CA
Nov 19, 2011
I don't know, cilogear packs seem awful gimicky and annoying with those stupid removable straps. In addition to being way more expensive than comparable packs.

CCW packs are cool, but expensive. It's hard to beat black diamond.

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By Jeff Stephens
From Carbondale, CO
Nov 19, 2011
Eastside
I sold that BD Predator 50 from above. But I still recommend looking for one as it is a fine pack. Read some reviews online.

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By Scottie
From Hartford, CT
Nov 19, 2011
+1 for cilo. have both the 30 and 60l and love them both

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By Jay Eggleston
From Littleton
Nov 19, 2011
Berlin
Cilo rules. I have a 20l and a 45l.

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By Kevin Craig
Nov 19, 2011
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
I have a 40B Cilogear worksack size M/L for sale $125. Used twice (too short for my torso). I have and use other CG packs (45L, 20L NWD). PM if interested. Prefer Denver metro area.

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By Ksween
From Wakefield, RI
Nov 19, 2011
I have the Predator 50 Ive had it for 2 years and used it 2-5 days a week guiding and personal use. Still in great shape. Climbs well holds everything you need for alpine climbs up to 3 days depending on how light you go. They just discontinued it you should be able to find it on clearance.

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By smassey
From CO
Nov 20, 2011
Frank K wrote:
I don't know, cilogear packs seem awful gimicky and annoying with those stupid removable straps. In addition to being way more expensive than comparable packs. CCW packs are cool, but expensive. It's hard to beat black diamond.

The Cilo takes a little time to figure out, but the advantage of the gimmicky straps is total modularity. The pack can be set up exactly as you want it. Also, as a great pack that doesn't cost your firstborn or soul, try the Osprey Variant. It's an alpine pack, so don't expect to take it canyoneering for long, but well featured and super comfy.

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By Graham Johnson
Nov 20, 2011
CCW for sure if you want an awesome pack made in the US. Cilogear is way over-rated (I've had 3 - a 40B, 45 and 60). They're comfortable, but not as well made as just about everything else out there. I'd never trashed a pack before I got mine (and I've had gregory, arcteryx, serratus packs prior to that) and now I've given up on them. They're comfortable and do the job, but not built to last. Gimmicky too - How often do you change the straps on your pack?
My CCW is way better built, lighter (even without a cilogear frame) than my comparable 45, and was less expensive to boot.

that BD predator is a very nice pack too - though I have seen quite a few that don't last as long as they are supposed to.

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By divnamite
From New York, NY
Nov 20, 2011
CCW for the win. Send Randy an email to make sure the shoulder strap system is by pulling down instead of up.

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By NC Rock Climber
From The Oven, AKA Phoenix
Nov 20, 2011
tanuki
I'll add a few more thoughts. In the 45L range, CCW is my go-to pack. I like the CiloGear 30L.

If you want more info on CCW, you can do a search here and on Supertopo. Time and time again people sing the praises of Randy (CCW owner / craftsman) and his packs. I have the Chernobyl. It is built to last, the stitching and materials are awesome, and it carries like a dream. I thought that Dana Designs made the best packs ever, and CCW has a very similar level of quality and durability. Let me put this another way; every time I use my CCW pack, I smile. It is that good.

10 years from now you can either be on your second or third "made in Asia" pack, or still be loving your CCW masterpiece. The choice is yours...

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By Graham Johnson
Nov 20, 2011
Yes, my chernobyl is "custom" (although I didn't realize I was getting an "up" shoulder strap - a minor annoyance). It's a spectra ripstop fabric, and I added a rope strap over the top and I've got clippy-buckles on all 4 side straps (as opposed to just two). That's about it. Oh and a whistle/buckle as the sternum strap. I'm still stoked about it, 5 months later. Couldn't say that about my cilogear packs.
Don't tell randy, but I do sneak my cilogear framesheet into it when carrying heavy loads.

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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Nov 20, 2011
I dunno- I trash packs pretty regularly, and have been unable to destroy a Cilogear pack as of yet- I've had 40Bs, V2 and V3, both are still in great shape. I also have the 30L hauly, which is still in new condition despite smassey doing his best to destroy it for damn near a year.

I will say that Cilogear is a somewhat young company and they have made some big steps in both durability and comfort in recent years as they've learned from their early designs- the new stuff, especially the W/NWD and Hauly packs, are damn amazing.

That said, they're not for everyone- but if you want light, durable, and customizable, Cilogear is pretty damn hard to beat.

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By Graham Johnson
Nov 20, 2011
Yeah, there seem to be inconsistencies with "trashing" of cilogear packs - all of mine have been what I'd call manufacturing faults - seams blowing, grommets popping out, bartacks ripping, collars ripping off, foam in the hipbelts rubbing through, etc... The actual wear and tear on the packs has been minimal - the fabrics used are really durable - just not sewn together all that well! Some people never seem to have any of those problems. I dunno. I bought into the cilogear hype big time at the beginning. And I wanted them to work, but 3 failures in a row (bearing in mind I've never trashed a pack before a cilogear)? I liked them before they started falling apart. Granted the 45 - a V4? - lasted a fair bit longer than the other two, but still less than 2 years before I thought I couldn't trust it anymore - seams blowing and the bartacks on the lid ripped through. I've seen many other Cilogear packs with similar problems.

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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Nov 20, 2011
have you contacted them? they have a pretty damn awesome customer service set-up...

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By climber pat
From Las Cruces, NM
Nov 20, 2011
I bought both a Cilogear 45L Worksack and a Black Diamond Epic 45 this year.

I do not like the cilogear pack. I do not like the pack's length adjustment by moving the hip belt up and down. Unless you are at the very long end of the adjustment your butt gets hit by the unusually low sitting pack. I really do not like the modular straps. They are difficult to tighten and loosen. The pack material has the appearance of being durable but in fact is too stiff and easily gets holes because it did not flex. My top pocket is black and the contents get extremely hot. The fit and finish of the Worksack needs help. There is lots of slop in the compartment which contains the framesheet.

The Black Diamond Epic 45 seems more like a 40L pack or even a little smaller. I like this pack, but it too has problems. The top pocket is not floating and therefore you cannot overstuff the pack even though it has a large skirt and drawstrings. The suspension is a little gimmicky. The gimmicky suspension works nicely with light to moderate loads and acts like a normal suspension with heavy loads.

Both packs suffer from the shoulder straps needing another 1-2 inches of padded length.

I recently retired an Osprey Mutant 38. Even though it was sized at 38 liters it was in between the Worksack and the Epic in usable space. It's frame-sheet died after a couple of years; warping into an uncomfortable shape. The Epic uses the same frame-sheet material but has metal frame too. I liked the mutant for what it was and suspect the variant to be a better pack.

If I were to buy another pack today I would consider a different black diamond with a floating top.

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By Pine Sap
Nov 20, 2011
Jaws RMNP - 3/3/12
I liked my Predator 50 in most respects except when using a 2 liter platypus you have a vertical lump in the middle of your back when placed in the provided sleeve. Pushes out beyond the back panel.

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By Graham Johnson
Nov 20, 2011
Yeah, Randy is doing minor custom work (like changing fabrics and adding buckles here and there) to his existing designs. A friend of mine went to him with a totally custom pack and he declined to do it. I guess you'd just have to email him and see - he's super friendly and gets back to you asap with thoughtful answers. I asked him a question about a completely unrelated, non-ccw pack and he responded a day later with a super helpful response, complete with little scanned diagrams that he'd drawn, photos and links to other sites... I appreciated that level of customer service.

Cilogear does have good customer service, when you can speak to Graham. I, and friends with Cilogear troubles, had trouble getting a hold of him for quite a while, but he does genuinely try to help and really believes in his product once you get him engaged. He's a good guy. I initially bought my 40B and 60L worksack when he was in Brooklyn (I went to the shop, had a good chat with him, and he gave me a good deal on the two packs). Less than a month later I had two big holes in my 60L, just from carrying it back and forth to the crag maybe 3 times and I'd lent the 40B to a friend who promptly ripped the collar off. Graham said there had been a fault in some of the fabric he had used in those packs and sent me a 45L worksack, for free, to me in NZ (where I live most of the year). I never told him about the 40B's collar ripping off (I gave the pack to the friend an let them deal with it, but I don't think they ever did). Not long after I got my 45L, the grommets blew out, which I replaced and then the sharp edge of the foam in the hipbelt wore through the fabric(which I fixed with lots of seam grip), and then about 6 months ago I noticed that the seams around the D-clips where I had straps attached were pulling apart. So much so I had to switch my strap system around to avoid using them, and then those new D-clips started to pull out too! I also picked up the pack by the lid (with my hands under the lid) to hustle off a lift in Chamonix and heard a big "pop" as two of the bartacks holding the lid straps on blew out through the fabric. I told Graham as I thought he would be interested to know about how his packs were faring in the field, and he offered "to send me something", but I said no thanks. I'd rather pay for a CCW than get a Cilogear pack for free.

Graham's a great, way overworked, guy and I genuinely believe he does his best. But I think, at least in all of my pack's cases (and those of a few of my friends), something slipped through the QC... I know he was having trouble when the packs were being made in Turkey, but my 45L was re-built by him before I got it (and he added a custom rope strap).

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By Kevin Craig
Nov 21, 2011
KC on Fields (medium).  Photo (c) Doug Shepherd
OK, I've been trying really hard not to engage in this thread since it seems I always end up in pack arguments, but anyway...

My go-to packs for ice and alpine are the Osprey Variants (28 and 37 though their volume ratings tend to underestimate the actual pack size). Not the lightest but not terribly heaver either, they carry loads well, compress down pretty well and have all the features I like. I did rip the attachment point at the top of the shoulder strap last Feb, but that was after tons of use and they made good on their "All-Mighty Guarantee."

I really like my Cilogear 20L NWD Worksack as a leader's pack for ice and alpine. Light, so far pretty durable etc. The padding on the shoulder straps could extend down a bit further though; they're not quite long enough for my shoulder girth and the webbing below the padding digs into my shoulders a bit. Not terrible, but another couple inches of the wider, padded shoulder strap would be appreciated.

I also have and like the 45L Worksack (standard nylon). Light, carries load well, very adaptable to a variety of loads/uses. Unfortunately, the grommet in the spindrift collar has pulled out after not all that many outings. I haven't had a chance to get with Graham about a repair, but I'm confident he'll fix it.

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By Kevin Landolt
From Fort Collins, Wyoming
Nov 21, 2011
Jesus Christ, how many times can we discuss this?

Why did Osprey do away with the Variant 28? And how come there's a Mutant 28 now that's only available in Europe? Is Osprey giving up on the 30l market or what? I got my first backpack at the age of ten, it was a women's size extra small Osprey pack from back when they were made in Delores Colorado, and I have been partial to the brand ever since - but I'd like to see them bring a smaller climbing pack back into their line.

Cilo Gear and even CCW are getting too cool too fast... if you're going for style points it's time to move on. Just saying.

How did the hipster burn his tongue?

He ate the slice of pizza before it had time to get cool...

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