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will jones
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Aug 24, 2014
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N.B.
· Joined Feb 2013
· Points: 50
Hey I'm wondering what I should get to start out for an aid climbing rack for climbing C2 aid. I already have cams, nuts and slings for trad climbing but what should I get for aid gear? Thanks
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Avalon'cha
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Aug 24, 2014
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your girlfriend's bedroom
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 35
Some aiders will come in handy. A few hooks. Piss load of carabiners, as light as possible (but still big enough to handle), to hell with ovals. Daisys if you are so inclined (im not). Duct tape (not the dollar store crap either) gloves & boots (preferably the dollar store crap) Partners are highly over rated and typically whiny. 40s, lots of them. OE is the gold standard, but i prefer 211, and typically just bring scotch any way (in a plastic 40 bottle).
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Ryan Watts
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Aug 24, 2014
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Bishop, CA
· Joined Apr 2013
· Points: 25
Avalon'cha wrote:Some aiders will come in handy. A few hooks. Piss load of carabiners, as light as possible (but still big enough to handle), to hell with ovals. Daisys if you are so inclined (im not). Duct tape (not the dollar store crap either) gloves & boots (preferably the dollar store crap) Partners are highly over rated and typically whiny. 40s, lots of them. OE is the gold standard, but i prefer 211, and typically just bring scotch any way (in a plastic 40 bottle). Probably want at least doubles in scotch. Especially if you ever plan to get on any harder aid.
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vincent L.
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Aug 25, 2014
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Redwood City
· Joined Jan 2005
· Points: 560
Some cam hooks , talon hooks , static haul line , some kind of ratcheting hauling device , and yea ... lots of your favorite type of alcohol or medicinals to ease the pain.
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eli poss
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Aug 25, 2014
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Durango, CO
· Joined May 2014
· Points: 525
Alcohol is aid.. Bump that shit to C3
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caribouman1052
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Sep 1, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2012
· Points: 5
To get serious for a minute here: take a look at the aid and big wall sections of this forum. The actual rack for C2? -Off set cams -2nd set of microcams -3rd set of (offset) microcams -2 or 3 sets of brass stoppers -1 set of Lowe ball nuts -Screamers for manky placements -enough runners & draws for about 30 placements For more interesting clean aid -Hooks: BD Grappling & skyhooks, Leeper/Logan point & flat, a BD talon to cover most of the bases, and a Fish Captain or Pika Ibis -Gorilla tape -dubloons/ rivet hangers The Gray Area, which doesn't always need a hammer to work because they are so thin they can often hook into a placement... -Peckers/ Tomahawks/ Birdbeaks/ Cracknups
Some people like Lowe/Trango/CAMP ball nuts, some don't. I like the fact that the smallest 2 sizes are smaller the smallest TCU's, so they act as a continuation of small camming devices. You'll also want a daisy of some kind, a pair of etriers, some sort of stiff soled boot to stand in the etriers, a double gear sling to organize the heap of gear. Eye protection just in case a piece rips while you're standing on it. Fingerless gloves: Ironclad Framers are good.
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eli poss
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Sep 2, 2014
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Durango, CO
· Joined May 2014
· Points: 525
I would get at least the small 3 ball nut sizes if not the whole set. When placed properly, they are often much better and stronger than micro cams such as tiny tcus plus, the micro cams are much less forgiving in over/under camming. In addition, they are technically passive pro and therefore much more bomber than equivalent micro cams in equally bomber placements. The only down side, IMO, is that you really need to learn how to place them well otherwise they can [somewhat] easily weld or at least be a PITA to clean. It as takes learning specifically how to clean them or you are likely to damage then or have to chip the rock to get it out, which is of course a big fat no no. You really to understand what is really happening in a fall and really understand the fine details of how they function, otherwise, well...
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Jacob Smith
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Sep 2, 2014
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Seattle, WA
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 230
cam hooks are the shit. they make the hard(ish) stuff easy and the easy stuff fast. And you can totally make your own aiders out of 1" webbing. they will be a pain in the ass, but totally functional.
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vincent L.
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Sep 2, 2014
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Redwood City
· Joined Jan 2005
· Points: 560
I would pass on homemade aiders . You want an aider that has an actual step , someplace to put your foot , you don't wanna fiddle with slipping your foot into the limp homemade aider time after time .... Two Yates aiders are only about $80 .
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caribouman1052
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Sep 2, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2012
· Points: 5
cam hooks +1 vinyl reinforced aiders +1 ladders +2 spreader bar ladders +3 another thought... I learned the old 4 aider system, with 2 daisies. It's pretty cumbersome. Someone posted they use no daisy. I've come down to this: I like having my aider connected by some sort of cord, cause I'm terrified of dropping them. I'm about to ditch my daisies and go with a plain "keeper" cord, maybe 5 mil. The daisy I've found I like best is a Kong "adjustable fifi" with 6mm cord. Works like a champ, so far. more clean aid trickery, although I doubt these fit into the C2 category and some may be legendary: cheater sticks, time bombs, bio heads, and slings duct- taped to the rock.
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