Age Before Beauty 

I don't know who did the f/a, but if I remember right (which I may not) this was a 9+ start with a bit of a grip factor. I think 1 bolt. I know I belayed/spotted a friend on it around '82 for her first "10A" lead.

I'm pretty sure it's a george hurley route too. Lee, if you are interested in more info, post over at NEclimbs and they might have a route name or year of ascent. This route came up a few years ago in a thread.

I dont need any more info, just pointing out the line for people... if anyone cares what i call it, ill change it.... and i did put FA george hurley so i dont know why the confusion...

What confusion? With the question mark I figured you didn't know the route name (neither do I). And since you posted it, I figured you cared at least a little about it. So...I'm sorry i tried to give some follow up info?

I'll edit my post to avoid anymore confusion!

No more info ? I thought this was " beyond the guidebook ? " and everyone wanted move by move beta ?

i always mean to be nice, always... im sorry sincerly if it didnt seem so... i do care about the route and thats why i posted it... i wasnt concerned about the name... sorry again... what i meant is that if someone else was concerned with the name id be more than willing to change it to whatever its supossed to be... as for the confusion comment i was referencing the discussion about who did the FA when i had put that in the description already... thank you for the follow up info... i will look again at my description and make sure it is up to my standards... if anyone else wants to write one id be happy to take mine down, what i do on this site i do for the community and my love of climbing if people dont like my stuff im really happy to let them take over... sorry always to anyone i offend...

Description looks fine! Not a single ellipsis. :)

just bustin ' Lee

i figured you were john... thanks :)

I'm amazed you were even able to write that much about the route!

Don't worry about being nice or too nice or not nice enough, this is the internet and I'm sure we all have thick skin. I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you come across like a friendly & helpfull guy. Every other route you post is very detailed to the point of you researching the climb, this being the only reason I added a place where you might be able to get some more info. If I had posted the route my info would have been far less informative than yours are. Maybe only slightly better than Strand's route descriptions!

Just kidding John.

thank you sir... no harm done... i guess i just get touchy about internet comunication, its so impersonal... if more people went out of their way to be super friendly the internet would be a nicer "place" to be... thanks again for your additional comment, clears the air a bit...

You mean like - 'climb up like slab" ?

Exactly, I would have at least said, 'climb up like slab, past some bolts'.

I'm more of a crack climber but I've climbed enough slabs here and there. Maybe it's just me, but I think ths is a total sandbag at 5.9. .10a or even 10b is more like it.

9+ would be my thoughts. Could be 10ish on a humid day. Either/or a pleasant way to approach bombardment.

Felt like a .9+ to me today, as it did last July when I lead it.