Saw the helicopter...anyone know what went down ?

www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1936651/Accident-Report-Tah>>>

Tahquitz isnt for beginners?

Ha..... Best place to learn how to climb without color coding.

It's hard to tell .10d from 5.6 at Tahquitz because the grades are so old skool that many of the routes originally rated 5.6 were actually later upgraded to .10d by guys like Michael Reardon.

That's why you should steer clear of Tahquitz until you can crush 5.7.

Another chopper call out on Monday.

We are going to be paying $$$$$ to climb there. Just like the Gunks.

just like the gunks??? you dont pay at the gunks to fund rescue helos, i dont think there has ever been a helo rescue there

So what do they do with the $$$$$$?

climbing has become popular. as the user group gets larger, the need for a controlling authority becomes necessary. climbers are a big user group. they are not all the mother theresa of enviromental issues, or hard men who do not get into trouble. with growing numbers, climbers, left to their own devices, do more harm than good. ok, it might require money to continue this controlling authority. i like toilets at the crag. i like garbage cans for trash. i like trail maintenance. if someone gets hurt, i would like for someone to come and help so i do not have to carry their dead body off the crag. if i get hurt, i would not turn away trained help. i do not expect it to be for free. i will pay for it, happily. there is no libertarian utopia.
best wishes to the injured party and i drink to their speedy recovery.
cheers

I dont want to pay additional taxes for SAR. If you can't bail yourself out of your own mess you shouldn't be there. That said
if you have developed the necessary skills, strength, and attitude you have probably been mentored by X15X15 or someone like him and should be prepared when the shit hits the fan, and most likely won't be a whiny bitch. Sending Good vibes to the injured making a speedy recovery.

most things that we do to entertain ourselves are deadly pursuits of self gratification. when was the last time you picked up a dead person at the crag, or got someone off the crag two pitches up with a broken tib/fib? or would you just leave them there and throw smarmy invective at them? see, in a libertarian utopia we dont pay taxes and we live in a hobbsean world of survival of the fittest. some climbers think they should be left unregulated and they should have uninhibited access to the commons for their own pleasure. and some go even farther and believe that the lack of resources will somehow keep people who are not as worthy as them from using it. that is until fate rears its head and the families of those injured want them rescued.
the residents of riverside county could just as easily say, "this climbing thing costs us too much money. lets close it down."
i am no libertarian. i was criticizeing the libertarian rantings of those who dont want to pay for what they use. you may not ever need SAR (many of whom are voulenteers) but that doesnt mean we should get rid of SAR. i already pay taxes that pay for SAR. a user fee may become necessary. i would pay that as well. the opposite of i dont want to pay taxes for SAR or access to the crag would be,You shouldnt climb if you cannot afford it.
mountainlion, "if you have developed the necessary skills, strength, and attitude you have probably been mentored by X15X15 or someone like him and should be prepared when the shit hits the fan, and most likely won't be a whiny bitch" you have no idea who i am. your arrogance will be your undoing. anonymity does not give you license to be rude. i probably have biners older than you.

www.getoutdoors.com/goblog/uploads/fowler.jpg
a picture of my mentor

a good couple of lines from Ezra Pound on arrogance:

"Pull down thy vanity, it is not man
Made courage, or made order, or made grace.."

In a Libertarian utopia, you would have to pay to climb anywhere, because every crag and mountain would become a privately owned business.

Roundhead, mountainlion's anonymity actually isn't. His name is Eric Coffman and between here and supertopo, where he also posts as mountainlion, you can peruse his many posts for a sampling of some of the most mind boggling arrogance and idiocy on the Internet. That's all of Internet, not just climbing sites, which is saying a lot.

So don't put a lot of stock in that post. He's pretty much alone in his way of thinking.

If it were up to him, anyone who tried to climb at the same crag as him, but climbed at a grade beneath his claimed ability, would be summarily executed for their hubris.